No "Chew on this pineapple, Fritz!" in CMBB

[BloodyBucket]

And that alone is enough to keep me playing BO!

[Silvio Manuel]

Heh...that overrides getting rid of stupid things like Tiger's aiming backwards to shoot at crews 1000m away and platoons running over 300m of open ground to surrender an MG42? smile.gif

[ November 04, 2002, 12:28 PM: Message edited by: Silvio Manuel ]

[BloodyBucket]

Well, it is something that CMBO has that CMBB doesn't. I just heard that phrase in a game, and got me thinking about how good it will be to see the improvements when the Western front rolls around again. As far as I'm concerned, BB is just another step in the developement of the new CMBO.

[JeremyCupit]

This thread got me thinking about a the Western and Eastern fronts.

Are the people here, in an overall and general way, more interested in the events surrounding the western front in france than in the Russian front?

I know I am much more interested in the events of Normandy and beyond than anything that happened in Russia, but then I come from England so I guess it only natural.

What about anyone else?
Jeremy

[Code Talker]

The Eastern Front holds no interest for me at all. I can't get enough of The Bulge.

[Xavier]

As I live in France, I prefer western front too. I enjoy visit battle-sites in Normandy. CMBB seems very interesting but my vision of the eastern front is quite confusing...

[Nippy]

"Chew on this pineapple, Fritz!"

"Na suka, na!"

I'll take T-34's and JS-2s over Shermans and Churchills any day.

[Patrick Moore]

Originally posted by JeremyCupit:
This thread got me thinking about a the Western and Eastern fronts.

Are the people here, in an overall and general way, more interested in the events surrounding the western front in france than in the Russian front?

I know I am much more interested in the events of Normandy and beyond than anything that happened in Russia, but then I come from England so I guess it only natural.

What about anyone else?
JeremyI am interested in both theaters thanks to taking a WW2 class at university here in the U.S. Though the majority of the time was spent on the U.S. war effort in Europe and the Pacific the class definitely piqued my interest about The Russian Front...oh, and my roommate got me to play Advanced Squad Leader/Beyond Valor/Streets of Fire (Russian front)! smile.gif

[Soddball]

I prefer the Western Front - I find it much more interesting - but I'm still playing CM:BB and loving it.

[Epée]

"Umri gad! Mat' tvou!"
(Die snake! F... your mother!)

East front. It is the mutha beautiful front.

Epée

[ November 07, 2002, 07:23 AM: Message edited by: Epée ]

[Sgt. Steiner]

Western Front is OK, but the East is where the titanic battles were. The battle of Kursk, for example, makes Normandy look like a circus sideshow in comparison.

[Pvt. Ryan]

When a German tank KO's a Russian tank in CMBB the commander shouts "Gouda Shoes!" I'm not really sure what that means, but it must be some sort of German insult.

[McAuliffe]

Originally posted by Code Talker:
The Eastern Front holds no interest for me at all. I can't get enough of The Bulge.HeHe..looks like there is another addict around ;)

[Code Talker]

HeHe..looks like there is another addict around Oh yeah!! :D

[kevsharr]

Even though I'm an american I must admit that I consider that the war was won on the eastern front.If the german's had been able to defeat the russian's that would have freed up large forces and we had our hand's full with the sixty or so div. we allready were facing

[Strontium Dog]

Originally posted by Pvt. Ryan:
When a German tank KO's a Russian tank in CMBB the commander shouts "Gouda Shoes!" I'm not really sure what that means, but it must be some sort of German insult.smile.gif
I think it's probably this: "guter Schuß" which means "good shot"

[Pvt. Ryan]

Originally posted by Strontium Dog:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Pvt. Ryan:
When a German tank KO's a Russian tank in CMBB the commander shouts "Gouda Shoes!" I'm not really sure what that means, but it must be some sort of German insult.smile.gif
I think it's probably this: "guter Schuß" which means "good shot"</font>[/QUOTE]No, I am pretty sure it is Gouda Shoes. I guess it means: Hey, Ivan, if your tracks weren't stuck in the cheesy mud I might not have blowed you up. :D

[Gen. Sosaboski]

Yes, the British have some great lines in CMBO...

"Stick that one in your pipe, Fritz!"

[The Commissar]

CMBO insult lines were cheesy (pineapples? WTF?!). CMBB on the other hand reminds me of day to day exchanges between my brother and I, lol.

East front is where it is at. The greatest battles, the most amazing machinery, the greatest sacrifices.

[BloodyBucket]

On a human scale, the sacrifices on both fronts are beyond my ability to comprehend, and I think it is silly to compare one to the other. On the Vastness meter, Eastfront wins hands down. On the Inhumanity meter, the Eastfront wins, but one could argue that the take no prisoners fighting of the Pacific was worse.

I just like the Western theater because of the cast of characters, the fact that my father fought there (28th ID) and the simple reason that I am more familiar with it. To each his own.

[Werewolf]

Originally posted by JeremyCupit:
This thread got me thinking about a the Western and Eastern fronts.

Are the people here, in an overall and general way, more interested in the events surrounding the western front in france than in the Russian front?

I know I am much more interested in the events of Normandy and beyond than anything that happened in Russia, but then I come from England so I guess it only natural.

What about anyone else?
JeremyI prefer West Front battles.

I liken east front battles to a slug fest between a very smart street fighter and a brutal thug who only knows one way to fight - pound and keep pounding until your opponent is dead or you are.

The west front I liken to a boxing match between two very skilled opponents.

I prefer the boxing match.

Werewolf

[Monwar]

Though I am yet to play CMBB, it's the Eastern Front that defines the Second World War for me. Stalingrad, Kursk, Kharkov, Sevastopol, Leningrad, Moscow, Kirovograd, Tallinn, Kiev, Budapest, Warsaw, Berlin, Belgorod, Minsk, Orel, Novgorod, Cherkassy, Riga, Koenigsberg - these names, they aren't just battles. These are examples of how low greed and malice can take human beings and shows our proficiency in killing each other. It's grim, but it's true. It's WAR! There was, and probably never will be (at least for a long time) a theatre like the Eastern one. It's just an unbelievable story of human suffering (and human determination), heroicity (and cowerdice), cruelity and desperation. 26 million people - JUST IMAGINE!

To me, West Front was a PICNIC compared to the Eastern Front (don't get offended, I'm just trying to emphasize) and that's why I play it (much lighter entertainment). It will take a lot of heart to play CMBB (especially when you've read about the eastern front battles - I have CMBB and still don't play it). I am not yet ready to reduce it to just tactical level battles. It was much more than that, a grim nightmare, no less. The sewers of Stalingrad, the 700,000 dead of Leningrad, the trenches of Kursk, the ice-cold river-crossing at Cherkassy - ... (it can't be expressed in language - just too horrible).

One of my most favorite visual images of WW2 is the Don Cossacks cutting off the SS (Wiking) at Gniloi Tikich. Up and down the ravine they pursued the broken Germans, slashing and hacking, revenge for a ravaged land, raped wife and dead children! Can the Western Front provide ONE such emotional scene? Can it?

[Michael Dorosh]

Originally posted by Werewolf:
I prefer West Front battles.

I liken east front battles to a slug fest between a very smart street fighter and a brutal thug who only knows one way to fight - pound and keep pounding until your opponent is dead or you are.

The west front I liken to a boxing match between two very skilled opponents.

I prefer the boxing match.

Werewolf :confused: :confused: :confused:

The Americans, British, Canadians and other allies relied on "pounding until your opponent is dead" just as much as the Russians. Witness repeated frontal assaults (Verrieres Ridge comes to mind), the massive use of artillery and tactical airpower, and really very few tales of "tactical finesse", unless you have some to share with us?

[Crank_GS]

and a battle is better won by "tactical finesse" than by other means? Maybe in CM, but IRL the win is all that counts. IRL, I would bring every tube and tactical bird into play as much as possible. Pound the bajabbers out of the opposition, then let my grunts walk across... You Bet! Finesse, schminesse. CM is a whole 'nother story though...

[Michael Dorosh]

Originally posted by Crank_GS:
and a battle is better won by "tactical finesse" than by other means? Maybe in CM, but IRL the win is all that counts. IRL, I would bring every tube and tactical bird into play as much as possible. Pound the bajabbers out of the opposition, then let my grunts walk across... You Bet! Finesse, schminesse. CM is a whole 'nother story though... Exactly. Use guns instead of men.

[Michael Emrys]

There's no doubt that the big battles were fought in the East. It would not be a huge exaggeration IMO to say that WW II happened on the East Front and everything else was more or less a sideshow.

But the East is just too big for my taste, and too brutal as well. War is always brutal and destructive, that is its essence, but the War in the East was brutality taken to a higher power. It was pure, unadulterated ugliness. The War in the West was no tea party, but at least it is something I find comprehensible. Try as I might, I will never be able to get my mind completely around the East Front. There is much to be gained from studying it, but I will always find it repellent in the extreme.

I guess one of the reasons I am always drawn back again and again to read about the Desert War, even though comparatively little happened there, is that it is an event on a more human scale. It gives me something I can identify with...although god knows why.

Michael

[HeinzBaby]

My sentiments echo that of Kevsharr...
But Normandy was the last deciding campaign of the war. If the Wehrmacht had actually managed to achive another Dieppe, it may well of taken the Allies years to recover..freeing up units stationed in Europe to fight the Red Army to a stalemate..God help us it didn't happen.
back to CM, I love both theatres, when the rest of my family is watching the soaps, this old man can slink of for an hour or so and escape back in time to Kursk or the Bocage ;)

[ September 16, 2003, 06:20 AM: Message edited by: HeinzBaby ]

[Horncastle]

I know this wont get implemented but in the suped up verision of CMBOII it would be nice if they had a June and July 46 era where one could fight fictious battles against the Commies in Germany. Not as a huge add on that would have a fictious campaign just the ability maybe to pit Allies against well ex-allies. Then you would have the most accurate model of what if scenarios pitting machines that never had the chance to do so against one another.

[flamingknives]

CMBO insult lines were cheesy (pineapples? WTF?!) Pineapples would be referring to No. 36M hand grenades (Mills bombs). The cast fragmenting jacket looks like a pineapple.
In any case, when my plucky brits caught the wrong end of CM:BO's hyper-artillery I could invariably hear them cursing the 'bastards' who were inflicting the pasting.

[Friendly Fire]

But Normandy was the last deciding campaign of the war. If the Wehrmacht had actually managed to achive another Dieppe, it may well of taken the Allies years to recover..freeing up units stationed in Europe to fight the Red Army to a stalemate..God help us it didn't happen.

Actually, I believe that a more likely scenario in the case of a failed D-Day invasion is total occupation of Western Europe by Stalin. Why would he stop at Berlin?

This scenario is explored in an essay by Stephen Ambrose in this book: "What If?: The World's Foremost Military Historians Imagine What Might Have Been"

A bigger nightmare than the stalemate, no?

[HeinzBaby]

Too true FF,
Zhukov did remark that the Invasion, thou well received, was 11 months before the end of a 6 year war [pure politics]...
With the capitulation of Nazi Germany, [I think it was the US ambassador to Russia], congratulating on the capture of Berlin, Stalin replied that the Tzar got to Paris [1814] smile.gif

[Fortinbras]

My gigantic oversimplification of the Second World War is that three things won the war: Soviet manpower, Chinese manpower, and US industry.

I'm an American and don't mean to slight anyone, but honestly, everything in the west, and everything in the Pacific except the submarine warfare which in the end really strangled Japan, was a side show to the eastern front and the asian mainland.

[Locksley]

Although the Western front campaigns had their fair share of politics, I find the ideology and politics, Hitler versus Stalin, on the Eastern front far more interesting. Stalingrad for example, that Hitler put so much effort and focus on taking the city named after his main adversary (the outcome of which arguably turned the tide on the Eastern Front) fascinating.
However, having said that from a militaristic point of view I find the Western Front far more interesting than the East. I don't know why, maybe it's something to do with being British.
:confused:

Ta
Tom

[Grond]

I'm much more interested in the Eastern Front than the Western Front although I haven't played CMBB yet. The fact that Germany kept three fourths of its manpower on the Eastern Front shows it was where the real action was. Now if CMBB will just hurry up and get to retail. :)

[Bastables]

Originally posted by Grond:
I'm much more interested in the Eastern Front than the Western Front although I haven't played CMBB yet. The fact that Germany kept three fourths of its manpower on the Eastern Front shows it was where the real action was. Now if CMBB will just hurry up and get to retail. :) But it kept most of it's airforce, navy and after Normandy Pz units facing West.