Where has all the Glory Gone?

[BeauCoupDinkyDau]

. . .and people for that matter.

This forum is dead, and by dead I mean totally without people in it. :(

Makes me want to backflip and kick my mother in the face.

[easytarget]

must be something in the air this time of year

this is the second post in a couple days where someone shows up out of the blue and declares a forum dead

do a quick scan over in tips and tricks - you and tigrii need to hook up and talk about what you can do to help since you're both concerned enough to pop in and declare things dead smile.gif

[Green Hornet]

Have to be honest...I haven't spent as much time in the BF forums lately because I've been off work for a week and a half over Christams/New Year holidays and I've managed to get myself into a dozen CMBO PBEM games.

So, I'm spending all my time playing CM and never seem to have any time to post here... :D

[lcm1947]

Yeah it does seem to have slowed down quite a bit but I expected that what with CMBB now out. But I still like the Western Front and just can't seem to get intereted in playing either the Germans or Russians. For that period - and that period only ! I don't care much about either side. So it looks like 3 of us still here anyway. :D

[Bruceov]

Im here and I read both forums.

[Gen. Sosaboski]

I don't have CMBB...Computer is too lousy to run it, that will change sometime in the near future. However, my main interest is western ETO/MTO, so I am still here!

[Cpt. Cook]

I still haven't bought CMBB (filthily poor at the moment) so I suppose I am stuck here with all the "retro" folk. ;)

[Måkjager]

and not forgetting some soggy mouldy Modders lurking beneth the well cammoed rock who will continue to support CMBO.

Regards

Måkjager

[Kingfish]

Originally posted by Måkjager:
and not forgetting some soggy mouldy Modders lurking beneth the well cammoed rock who will continue to support CMBO.

Regards

MåkjagerNor the scenario designers ;)

Which btw, this one has 2 that need to be tested. Anyone interested? My e-mail is in my profile.

[Jack Carr]

I would have expected this forum to quiet down a bit after the release of CMBB. I still am playing CMBO with some friends as well as against the AI however I personally feel that the game engine in CMBB reacts much more realistically than the one in CMBO. The best thing BTS could do is re-visit CMBO and give it the CMBB engine. I know the chances of this happening are next to none but I would become much more interested in the game if they did. If I had to shell out another $45.00 dollars to get this CMBO version with the CMBB engine I would. Any thoughts on this? God Bless.

[Splinty]

I'd do it, but then I'm still waiting for the money to get CMBB with.

[Green Hornet]

An updated version of CMBO with CMBB's engine?

I'd pay $50 and buy it in a heartbeat.

[lcm1947]

Well, looks like more then just the 3 of us after all. :D And really really glad to hear modders like Makjager is still hanging in here. Love your modds Makjager!!!! And even some great scenario designers. I do agree with Jack Carr and would myself be willing to pay full price for it. Course now if they decide to come out with one on Korea I would be satisfied with that until they see the light and redo CMBO. In the meantime I'll just keep kicking butt with my American and Allied's in this outstanding game.

[JasonC]

Here is a suggestion. Has anyone else read "an Army at Dawn" by Rick Atkinson? A new history monograph on the Tunisia fight, promises to be the first in a series on the US army in the ETO. Pretty good read so far (I am about half way through). What I noticed is, some of the early Tunisia fighting (in particular) might be fun CMBO material. I don't think it has been covered much to date.

Now, we aren't going to get M3 Grants or Pz III Hs in proper desert, I understand. But Stuarts and Shermans are available, and Pz IVs - and the odd Tiger I. The Americans would in many cases green to conscript. Brits and underequipped Frenchies involved too. Conscript German Heer might stand in for Eye-Ties.

A possible project to explore. Might excite some interest...

[ January 08, 2003, 12:09 AM: Message edited by: JasonC ]

[Michael Dorosh]

Originally posted by JasonC:
Here is a suggestion. Has anyone else read "an Army at Dawn" by Rick Atkinson? A new history monograph on the Tunisia fight, promises to be the first in a series on the US army in the ETO. Pretty good read so far (I am about half way through). What I noticed is, some of the early Tunisia fighting (in particular) might be fun CMBO material. I don't think it has been covered much to date.

Now, we aren't going to get M3 Grants or Pz III Hs in proper desert, I understand. But Stuarts and Shermans are available, and Pz IVs - and the odd Tiger I. The Americans would in many cases green to conscript. Brits and underequipped Frenchies involved too. Conscript German Heer might stand in for Eye-Ties.

A possible project to explore. Might excite some interest...Take out a loan and get yerself CMBB already f'r heaven's sake. You won't go back!

[sand digger]

From El Alamein on to the end in NA would be of interest here. Plenty for the Yanks, and the Brits and Commonwealth participants too. A much neglected area which has the advantage of varying terrain, lots of actual encounters, plus you start to get better Allied weapons and so gain some heavy weapon parity with the Germans.

Ambushing Rommel's over confident armour with 17pdrs would be most satisfying.

[Kanonier Reichmann]

I didn't think the 17 pders were available to the Poms in North Africa. 6 pders yes but not 17 pders from my understanding, they simply hadn't been developed and issued by late 1942/early 1943.

Regards

Jim R.

[Walker]

I'm also reading a very enjoyable new book on the desert war 1940-43, 'Alamein, War Without Hate' by John Bierman & Colin Smith. It focuses on the fact that the campaigns were conducted 'according to the accepted notions of fair play and the rules of war'.

A paragraph to give you the flavour of the book:

(During the battle of Sidi Rezegh)
By now there seemed so little discernible order on the battlefield that in places Germans and British became inextricably mixed. Bradshaw’s was the only Crusader that was still a runner in his troop of three and he was searching for the rest of his squadron (…) when he saw “a fellow walking along, limping”.

“I drew alongside and called out, ‘Are you Italian?’ He replied, in very good English, ‘No, I’m not a bloody Italian, I’m a German,’ obviously annoyed at the suggestion. He was wounded, so I gave him a lift on the tank. He sat on it under the gun. I gave him a drink of water and he gave me a [British] Capstan cigarette. ‘We got one of your supply columns,’ he said. We saw some German armoured cars some 1,000 yards away and he rolled off the tank, though wounded, and hobbled towards them. My gunner traversed on to him and I shouted on the intercom: ‘Don’t fire – let him go.’ And he turned around and saluted and called out cheekily, ‘I’ll see you in London.’ I called back, ‘Make it Berlin.’”

[Andreas]

Originally posted by Kanonier Reichmann:
I didn't think the 17 pders were available to the Poms in North Africa. 6 pders yes but not 17 pders from my understanding, they simply hadn't been developed and issued by late 1942/early 1943.

Regards

Jim R.17-pdrs were available available as ATGs in Tunisia.

Check it here (http://www.btinternet.com/~ian.a.paterson/equipartillery.htm#pdr17).

There is a great IWM picture showing one in action.

[JasonC]

Interesting fact about the 17-pdr, thanks. It does say 1943 deployment, so that is Tunisia rather than the western desert, but still in North Africa of course.

As for the CMBB comment, of course I have it. But as for "never going back", I - and I am sure many others - like fights with Americans in them enough to still play CMBO too.

On the subject of books on the North Africa campaign, by far the best I've ever seen is "the Sidi Rezegh Battles" by Agar-Hamilton. It is from the official South African history, and covers Crusader in 1941 (a SA brigade was badly cut up there, thus the focus), at a level of understanding and of detail I have not seen elsewhere. Not just the SAs, the whole battle. Hard to find, but worth it - try interlibrary loan if you have to.

[ January 08, 2003, 10:12 AM: Message edited by: JasonC ]

[rune]

I used that one when I made the Steel Panthers scenario based on the battle. Maybe I will port it to the next version of CM if it involves North Africa.

Rune

[sand digger]

A big 17pdr Panzer tank ambush actually happened in NA. Can't think of the location off hand, but it was somewhere around the Libya/Tunisia border, Jan/Feb 43. Rommel's armour did a charge and ran straight into a nest of prepared AT.

[Michael Dorosh]

Originally posted by JasonC:

As for the CMBB comment, of course I have it. But as for "never going back", I - and I am sure many others - like fights with Americans in them enough to still play CMBO too.After the pages and pages you types about the inaccuracies of the MG modelling in CMBO, you must admit that seems rather odd.... :confused: :confused:

[JasonC]

I don't see why you say that. I think CMBB is an improvement in the game engine. But I don't have a better game engine for fights between Americans and Germans in the ETO than CMBO. If I had a CMBB engine with Americans in it, I'd use it. I don't. If you do, please advise (lol).

[Erwin Rommel]

I just got CMBO and CMBB a short time ago so I am playing both regulary and will probably continue with both for some time.So I check in on both forums for any info on Mods..Scenarios or what have you..I just dont post often.

[Boff]

Originally posted by JasonC:
I don't see why you say that. I think CMBB is an improvement in the game engine. But I don't have a better game engine for fights between Americans and Germans in the ETO than CMBO. If I had a CMBB engine with Americans in it, I'd use it. I don't. If you do, please advise (lol).I agree 100%, I have little interest in Germany vs Russia and do not identify with either country. While the CMBB game engine is undoubtedly better, the subject matter does not involve me like its predecessor does. CMBO with the enhanced engine would be a must buy for me, as it is I am playing 3 times more CMBO games than CBBB.