Favourite vehicle

[Skolman]

Whats your favourite vehicle/tank in CMBO and why ?

[Aaron]

My favorites are the StugIII followed closely by the Lynx*. Favorite American vehicle is the plain jane Mark 4.

Aaron

*The 20mm autocannon make a cool noise in Close Combat. I've liked the Panzer II since then.

[easytarget]

why do you like the stug? i've not had much luck with it against shermans

i'd like to hear how you use it

as for favorite vehicles of mine - i recently played All or Nothing against the AI as the brits and found the Churchill VIII to be quite formidable

i'd never used one before, but in this particular battle the Churchill took shots from everything the germans had including a flak 88 and a tiger and survived - sure, this probably wonh't happen all the time - but i was pretty damn impressed

hum, on another note, i also liked the brit arty - man, i had no idea they had such formidable arty - some of it was leaving craters the size of vw's - impressive stuff

[Webs]

I also just played All or Nothing, but I've played Churchills before.

They are also my favourites, and you gotta love the Crocodile.

(P.S. Will the thing still throw flame if it has taken a casualty?)

[easytarget]

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don't know about the croc - it and the two churchills i had were stuck at the main bridge due to lack of engs (the one's i had, which i speical delivered in a half track) decided to bug out the second the tiger started shooting the place up

so i never got the croc close enough to the germans to have any fun with it

fortunately i rolled an absolute ton of armor down the back side over the rail road track and got the germans to surrender on like turn 54

btw, do the americans have any arty that is as stout as the stuff the brits had in All or Nothing? I mean jeez, i had enough arty, and some big stuff too, that i literally could of just about leveled the town

[ December 31, 2002, 06:10 PM: Message edited by: easytarget ]

[Cpt. Cook]

My favorite vehicle has always been the Jagdpanther, but I have lately been hooked on Q.B.'s with Allies defending, and I discovered the M51Stuart: three mg.'s and a wicked little 37mm main. On the last one I played it took out two Stug III's and a Puma (?I think--the light wheeled tank with a 75) , plus a whack of half-tracks. Scrappy, effective, cheap, and accurate. My Hellcats always become smoking pyres and rarely finish one for one.

[Pud]

Mine would have to be the ChurchillVIII. Its the only tank i have that survived a hit from a schrek ("internal paint flaking"). Its got the blast to clear away anything troop related (and lots of it), and C rounds that can take out nearly anything with armour. Mind you once the C rounds are gone its AT ability turns to crap, I remember slogging it out with a Pz4 100m away across a bridge with just HE. Lasted 3 turns before he got a gun hit me. I had to reverse out.

[Splinty]

My favorite Allied tank has to be the Sherman VC Firefly. That bad boy is absolutly deadly when used properly.
My favorite Axis tank is the Panther G. I know, everybody seems to like the Panther, but there's a reason for that IMHO. When facing towards it's target it's almost invincible.

[SgtMuhammed]

I love the Pershing for its firepower and have always had a softspot for the Panther. I have to agree with an earlier post about the M5. I have had 1 or 2 of them eat a German recon company.

As for arty nothing ends a game quicker than some big naval guns. I once had a company of infantry and a platoon of P4s spread over about 1000 meters completely wiped out by two volleys of naval arty.

[Slappy]

Daimler AC.

For the points, it is the best vehicle in the game. 40mm gun can take down all but the biggest of the cats from the side, and it has the mobility to get to the side. No HE rounds is the only drawback. If you want those, you have to go to the Greyhound.

And a vote of support to the Firefly. It is to the Tiger what the Daimler is to a StuG.

[Skolman]

I also like the Daimler AC ! With the mod i am using it is the best looking tank in the game !!!!

Have you ever played the scenario "just 3 little stuarts" ? if so you will see what these tanks can do!!!!!

[Firefly]

Despite my screen name, my favourite is the Cromwell IV. fast speed plus a 75mm gun means it can flank and kill anything the Germans have. Of course it's curtains if anything hits it, but that's the same for most Allied tanks in CMBO.

Playing as the Germans I like the good old gamey Hetzer smile.gif .

[Bruceov]

I like the comet. 77MM (NOT the same as the 17lb) gun and the fastest tank in the game

[SgtMuhammed]

Firefly,

I've liked the Hetzer ever since I commanded the 26th VGD during a game of Command Decision. I was going to send you a picture of the one at the Bastogne memorial but I don't know how to load pictures.

[Panzer Ace]

The JagdPanther, is my absolute favorite, you get that baby hull down on a ridge or something overlooking the battle field, and man its over for the other guy unless he has a $#@%load of Jabos!!!,
BUT!! in the whole scheme of things, unit costs etc, give me a hetzer or give me death ;)

[Cybeq]

Hmmm, choices, choices....

I guess my favorite vehicle is the German 37mm flak halftrack. I know it's use in PBEM is considered gamey and it's even been banned by some but I still like it.

My favorite tank is probably the Stuart. It's been mentioned before but this baby has three machine guns, is fast, and has a main gun that can take out most Axis armor from the rear or side. And it has a large ammo loadout. I can always find a use for one or two when I'm buying my units.

[l3w53r]

Puma althougH I rarely use it, I just look at it... :D

Otherwise it oughta be the Panther, Wespe, Hummel, M10, M18 and M7.

[Jack Carr]

Even though the lowly Stewart can knock it out frontally in CMBO, I still like the Tiger. Personally I think it is far too vulnerable in CMBO but if you also play CMBB, it is modeled much more realistically. For the Allies I like the EZ8 model of the Sherman. I like the big wide tracks. It looks like a Sherman on steroids.

[Chelt]

I'm fond of the Archer. It's got its quirks - heck, it's got a rearward-facing gun - but learning how to use it is part of the Archer's appeal. It's under 100 points, and it's got a low profile and a gun that'll kill a big cat from the front. Just had one take out two Panthers and two StuGs in a QB.

If I remember correctly, the British kept the Archer in service into the 1950s.

David

[CombinedArms]

I like the Archer, too. In a lurking hulldown position it can kill anything up to Tigers with great ease.

Lots of other favorites, for example:
Allies: Churchill VIII; Cromwell VI & VIII (w/ the 95mm); Firefly; Hellcat, M8 (for cost effectiveness).

Axis: Panther, Jadgpanther, PzIV/70, Hetzer (for cost effectiveness).

[Patrick Moore]

Originally posted by Jack Carr:
Even though the lowly Stewart can knock it out frontally in CMBO, I still like the Tiger. Personally I think it is far too vulnerable in CMBO but if you also play CMBB, it is modeled much more realistically. For the Allies I like the EZ8 model of the Sherman. I like the big wide tracks. It looks like a Sherman on steroids.I've grown rather fond of the Stuart after being on the receiving and dealing end of it's quite AT potent 37mm gun (at least when under 1000m)! Was this little tank's 'peashooter' that effective in real-life?

[ January 03, 2003, 04:55 PM: Message edited by: Patrick Moore ]

[SgtMuhammed]

Not normally! :D There is a story during the fighting in the Battle of the Bulge of a M8 crew taking out a Panther with a single shot that hit a weak spot in the armor. The only ones more surprised than the crew were the Germans! :eek: ;)

In war nothing is for sure and even that rule leaves room for doubt.

[CombinedArms]

I don't think I ever killed a Panther or Tiger with a frontal shot from a Stuart. Several flank kills on Panthers, however and a couple of frontal kills on PzIVs that I recall. Certainly the Stuart's 37 seems more effective than the Russian 45mm, which may reflect more effective AP rounds.

Does anyone know how accurate that Stuart 37mm modeling is? I recall there was great debate at one point about both the Sherman 75 and the Churchill VIII's 95mm and folks finally had to concede that the modeling was accurate.

[Patrick Moore]

Originally posted by CombinedArms:
I don't think I ever killed a Panther or Tiger with a frontal shot from a Stuart. Several flank kills on Panthers, however and a couple of frontal kills on PzIVs that I recall. Certainly the Stuart's 37 seems more effective than the Russian 45mm, which may reflect more effective AP rounds.

Does anyone know how accurate that Stuart 37mm modeling is? I recall there was great debate at one point about both the Sherman 75 and the Churchill VIII's 95mm and folks finally had to concede that the modeling was accurate.I believe the CMBO stats show that the Stuart 37mm can penetrate the PzIV front turret armor (and hull?) out to 1000m. I recall looking that up when I was stunned by losing several PzIVs to a veteran Stuart crew...but I will doublecheck the game stats...
(pardon my ignorance but is there a website that has this data posted?)

[ January 03, 2003, 08:25 PM: Message edited by: Patrick Moore ]

[Jack Carr]

CombinedArms wrote:

I don't think I ever killed a Panther or Tiger with a frontal shot from a Stuart.
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You lucky bastard! Happens to me every time I play the Germans and have a Tiger I. Played last night and lost a Tiger frontally. The old hideous, "Frontal Penetration at Weak Point" pops up and I'm suddenly changing my battle plans for the next 15 turns. I can certainly understand why so many players selected the Stuart as their tank of choice because it really does pack quite a punch for the point value.

[Marcovt]

Mine has to be a M4(105mm) used properly that machine can cause havoc and serious damage. On the Axis side surely the Jagdpanzer is a class to themselves

[Silvio Manuel]

Originally posted by CombinedArms:
Does anyone know how accurate that Stuart 37mm modeling is? I recall there was great debate at one point about both the Sherman 75 and the Churchill VIII's 95mm and folks finally had to concede that the modeling was accurate.Stuart is SO frckn effective in CMBO, since partial penetrations are NOT modeled. So non-lethal small-caliber penetrations wind up KO'ing tanks in CMBO; OTOH lend-lease Stuarts in CMBB should less lethal against heavy armor... except maybe for the 1 in 100 weak pt. hit.

[Moriarty]

Favorite US tank: Stuart. 3 MGs and a boatload of 37mm and it really pisses off my opponent when (rare instances) he loses something better to one.

Favorite German tank: StuG III. When I first started playing I thought I'd be a big fan of the more exotic cats. Then I found the game to be more challenging using plain vanilla troops and armor so I gravitated toward the PzIVs and StuGs. In the many games played, I've yet to choose the Panther, any of the Tigers and only once the PzIV/70.

[Redwolf]

Here is a copy of what I wrote in another thread about Stuarts against Tigers:

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"Weak point penetration" happens with a probablity of 1% and reduces the armor by 30-50%.

If the vehicle has a shot trap then the probablity is higher. Steve once said itis 10%, my own tests imply more like 3-5%. The difference may be that it is 10% of all turret hits which would translate to about 3-4% of all front hits.

Armor quality has nothing to do with it, it only reduces the thickness of the plate.

Now, so much is fine and the Tiger does not have a shot trap. However, the following items make the Tiger zu vulnerable to Stuart fire:
- the Stuart has a very high ROF and much ammo. If you have several Stuarts in LOS you get to 100 hits soon and there you have it
- the hit probablity of moving shooter against standing target is broken in CMBO. The moving shooter, even if fast, has a very high hit probablity. The standing shooter shooting at the moving target seems to have correct, that means lower but not very low hit probably on a mving target
- the slow turet of the Tiger, no cover arc command and the slow ROF make it difficult to hit a Stuarts, especially when they pop in and out of LOS (like racing behind a bunch of houses)

So what happens here is that a Stuart, or several Stuarts, run around the battlefield like crazy, cannot be hit but hit themself very often, while going their high speed in difficult ground. Very soon you reach enough hits on the Tiger to statistically approch the 1% chance.

And that is even without the Stuart player being excessivly gamey. It is not gamey to run these Stuarts around with shoot-and-shoot tactics. If the Stuart player wants to get gamey he runs circles around the Tiger at 30 meter distance :D

It is small bugs and slightly off judgement for chosen parameters which can turn one aspect of a game into a joke.

[Redwolf]

BTW, my favourite CMBO vehicles were Jagdpanther, 95mm Cromwells, Kangaroos, SdKfz 234/1, Panzer IV, M3A1 halftrack. Oh, and the Wasp.

[Chedchenko]

the best tank is Panther is fast and good fire pwoer!!!! and can be use in operation in the snow :D

[easytarget]

lately i really like the hetzer and nashorn used together - hetzer has great low profile, the nashorn has a great gun and is pretty cheap - actually they're both relatively inexpensive for what you get

but i also really like the jagdpanther and churchill viii - i've had both of these take hits from everywhere and shrug them off
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hehe, had to mention also that in All or Nothing I had a Churchill viii take repeated hits from AT guns and every tank in the village including the tiger shooting across the river at it repeatedly - the churchill shrugged them off and took out both the AT gun on the hill and the tiger (ok, well it took out it's gun, which was just as effective)