CM is to War gaming like (___?) is to war movies!??!

[Capt Canuck]

What is the ULTIMATE WW2 Movie?
Is it The Longest Day, Saving Private Ryan, Kelly's Heroes, A Bridge Too Far? Patton? Battle of the Bulge? Das Boot? Stalingrad? Desert Fox? Tobruk?
What's your choice?(doesn't have to be from above) and why is it the best of all?
David

[Manx]

The ones you have listed are all great and deserve to be mentioned. For me it must be SPR - the beach landing in the opening 20 mins really brings home the horror that those guys must have gone through more than any other war film that i have seen depicted so far.

Special mention for ABTF - A great all-round film. Makes you feel for the guys left "stranded" at Arnhem and fighting against overwhelming odds.

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[Maximus]

The Finnish made "Winter War" was an excellent film. It had a lot in common with Stalingrad.

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[Panther131]

I say Das Boot. It is incredible.


Maximus: I'll have to check out Winter War. I just bought Stalingrad and fell alseep through it. (only becouse I put it on so late and it was christmas night; I was stuffed out of my mind with food)

So far, and I havent seen that many war films, Das Boot is my favorite.

SPR is, although seemingly very authentic and so very real, especially the first 30 minutes, dissapoints me. After the beach landing, Its just "The Allies" hollywood menatality. Especially at the end with Tom Hanks being our hero. A touching although fictional story though.

Dont get me wrong, I still think its a classic.

[LuckyStrike]

Cross of Iron was awesome.

[I/O Error]

Do you mean "Iron Cross," the one about German fighting on the Eastern Front?

(Or is there ANOTHER great WWII movie out there I need to check out? If so, COOL!)

Iron Cross = Reality of personal war

SPR = Reality of what war does to ordinary men

Kelly's Heroes = Good side of war. Funny, and both sides win. (heh heh, except the Nazis) http://www.battlefront.com/discuss/smile.gif

Das Boot = Reality of what U-Boat life TRULY entailed...

Anyway, all of them are great films and should be watched.


Remember: War is not a natural act. It is something to be avoided if possible. Every generation forgets that. Our only hope is to continue to educate the coming generation and ourselves of the true costs of war.

[AbnAirCav]

Sam Peckinpah's Cross of Iron. This movie grabs you, from the opening credits with children singing and blending in documentary footage, on. Unfortunately, while I understand in Europe they have a widescreen DVD with better quality, in the U.S.A. the DVD is "full screen" (pan and scan) with poor quality.

Second would be Saving Private Ryan. The D-Day landing is unforgettable.

[Monte99]

I think we can rule out "Battle of the Bulge." IMHO.

Nobody mentioned "The Thin Red Line." Throw out maybe 20 minutes of curtains blowing in the wind and you've got about the most artistic WWII movie ever made. Of course, it's loosely based on one of the best World War II books ever written.

I liked "Saving Private Ryan" quite a bit. That battle sequence at the end is the thing I keep coming back to -- absolutely stunning work! I don't think they needed to have Tom Hanks firing his .45 at an oncoming Tiger (or was it a PzIV? -- no doubt someone will clarify it), but what the hey?




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[I/O Error]

Every Vet I've talked to who saw The Thin Red Line said it was a big load of crap.

The only ones I know who disagree with that statement are the ones who immediately turned away from military service and became "bums" or "hippies."

The movie is a little TOO artsy. Men in combat do not have the luxury (nor should they) to think of such matters. Those who do wind up dead.

P.S. The Battle of the Bulge was NOT a particularly good movie, I feel, if we're talking about the same one.

(Who knows HOW many pulp WWII movies have been made. http://www.battlefront.com/discuss/biggrin.gif )

[Capt Canuck]

I think there should be a remake of the Longest Day...

And nothing with a Hollywood sub-plot with romance s***. I want to see a good war movie be made nowadays! I want to see D-Day, from the point of view of all the nationalities, not JUST American, or JUST German and so on.
True, it would be more of a Documentary, but I think that that is what the world needs today. To have its eyes opened to the brutalities of war suffered by all who lived it. Not just Pvt Ryan or Capt. Miller(No offence to SPR, I personally love that movie myself) But what about Haupt. Schmidt, or Mme. Telouse, or Major Coxwell with the Brits. A pure Docu-Drama of WW2!

The Movie itself would be divided up into four parts.

Part 1(20Mins), we would have a half hour or so archival footage of the preparations that went into D-Day, the Leaders(Ike, Monty, Rommel)It would serve as a quick introduction to those who have no idea what D-Day is.

Part 2(30 Mins),D-Day-1 We would focus on June 5th, the final preparations, the men who will be fighting tomorrow and their anxieties, a brief look at Southern England and how drastically it had been changed.

Part 3(90 Mins) D-Day There would be focuses on every beach, not only the attackers, but the defenders too (Who would also be speaking German, not English) And pay attention to the french people and to the Marquis.

Part 4(40 Mins) D-Day-to-VE Day
and include events(briefly) Falaise Gap, Paris, opening of Antwerp, M-G, the Bulge, Fall of Berlin. I know that's a lot to fit into 40 mins, but it would be very brief, it would serve as a conclusion to the movie.

This film would need the support of all the Gov't Countries involved, it would probably be filmed it hundreds of different locations across Europe and North America, have one of the largest budgets movie making history.
This is certainly do-able in my mind. All we need is to win about 300 Million dollars(US) and present this idea to Stephen Spielberg!

This movie would serve as a living tribute to all of those that served in one of the greatest battles ever fought on earth, no matter of what country, age, creed.
Thanks for listening, I really needed to get that idea out!
David

[Ezmartini]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Capt Canuck:
Part 3(90 Mins) D-Day There would be focuses on every beach, not only the attackers, but the defenders too (Who would also be speaking German, not English) And pay attention to the french people and to the Marquis.

Part 4(40 Mins) D-Day-to-VE Day
and include events(briefly) Falaise Gap, Paris, opening of Antwerp, M-G, the Bulge, Fall of Berlin. I know that's a lot to fit into 40 mins, but it would be very brief, it would serve as a conclusion to the movie.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

90 minutes on D-Day, but only 40 for the rest of the war? Think of all the big battles of not only Europe, but the Pacific. I think D-Day shouldn't be portrayed as the most ONLY important operation, because other men around the world worked just as hard to help the Allies. Just switch around those two times and everything will be OK. http://www.battlefront.com/discuss/smile.gif

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[crepitis]

I can recomend the Russian movie "Come And See",about Partisans fighting the Germans on their murderous withdrawal through Belorussia and the Ukraine.It took me weeks to get over it!It is the best over all war movie I have seen,although SPR has better action scenes.I would really like to see "The Winter War",lots of people on this forum have raved about it in previous posts,but I cant seem to find it in the U.K. I may end up ordering it on-line from The States.

[Radar]

Hey doesn't anybody remember Sahara with Bogart? That is a classic. Yes it is a bit Hollywood, but hey, so what? The Guns of Naverone is another classic. The display of the 'inferior' (there is obvious long odds to victory) allied forces holding together and turning the tide despite the upperhand held by the Axis forces is what makes them great. I think the Cross of Iron is another good movie, as is the Dirty Dozen.

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[M. Bates]

The inescapable truth is that most war films are bad.

[Mr. Clark]

"Where Eagles Dare" is a pretty good special operation WWII adventure. Entertaining.

"Saving Private Ryan" is my personal favorite, although I have yet to see ABTF or Das Boot.

I honestly think that "A Band Of Brothers" (the HBO Hanks/Spielberg Mini-series) will turn into something pretty special. In 10 episodes we will get everything from D-Day to Market Garden to the Bulge to Hitlers Eagles Nest. Based on a GREAT Ambrose book, with Ambrose helping along the way, I really think it has a shot to be something great.

[Jock Abroad]

"Full Metal Jacket"

[Andrew Hedges]

The answer to the question "x is to other war movies as CM is to other war games" is the empty set. No war movie is that good.

I'd vote for Cross of Iron as the best war movie -- lots of action, lots of tension, different kinds of fighting, real T-34s, and no distracting subplots. Das Boot is also very good.

I don't think there could be a movie about all of d-day -- it's too big. That's what you need miniseries for. Movies are better at focusing on a small group of men, as in Das Boot or SPR.

Although I'd love to see someone make "Der Panzer."

[Mr. Clark]

I just went out and purchased SPR (dvd) and Das Boot (directors cut dvd) using X-Mas cash.

Hopefully Das Boot is as good as everyone says, as I have never watched it before.

[T34Rules]

I would have to vote for:

The Winter War and Stalingrad.

[stic.man]

i liked the hbo movie "When Trumpets Fade"
i liked spr too, i dont really like old war movies because the acting is so horrible, but i did like the one where the US and Canadians/Brits team up, and climb a cliff or something.
i also liked firebase and platoon.

[Frenchy]

Run Silent, Run Deep (Burt Lancaster)
The Enemy Below (Robert Mitchum)
Battleground (James Whitmore)
Hell is for Heroes (Steve McQueen)

to name a few good ones...



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[Jock Abroad]

"Paths of Glory"

[Monte99]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jock Abroad:
"Full Metal Jacket"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Great movie. But not a World War II movie.

[Monte99]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by I/O Error:
Every Vet I've talked to who saw The Thin Red Line said it was a big load of crap.
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Fortunately, we don't rely on veterans to decide which movies are worth seeing.

I agree that there was a certain amount of crap in "Thin Red Line" but I remember one sequence, the Marines advancing up through the elephant grass during an artillery barrage, that was sheer genius. There was another scene, maybe one or two seconds, of soldiers under fire being cowed by snakes rising up out of the tall grass. Absolutely brilliant! A number of other scenes that were real gems. I think it's still a movie I would buy, rather than rent, if I ever get around to getting a DVD player...

[Monte99]

Anybody remember "Castle Keep?" An oddball 1969 movie with Burt Lancaster and Patrick O'Neal. Featured a floating Volkswagen and more rounds fired from a .50 caliber machinegun than any other movie ever made.

[I/O Error]

Monte: Argh, well I saw Thin Red Line and was fairly unimpressed. Perhaps I didn't really get into the character at all... *shrug*

And flashbacks make me itch. http://www.battlefront.com/discuss/wink.gif

(Also, can someone PLEASE tell me why he was so STUPID at the end in that meadow? No more details in case someone DOES want to see the movie, just asking whoever watched it already)

[Kanonier Reichmann]

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the 1950's film titled "Der Brucke" (sorry, no umlaut on my keyboard) which literally means The Bridge. A very moving, anti war movie with great close in fighting against Shermans. And if you had to fight as the German side against those odds in Combat Mission you would probably concede before starting. http://www.battlefront.com/discuss/wink.gif

Regards

Jim R.

[Jock Abroad]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Monte99:
Great movie. But not a World War II movie.

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yes I know...couldn't help it...also couldn't help it with "Paths of Glory" either http://www.battlefront.com/discuss/biggrin.gif

cheers!

[Kitty]

Shaving Ryan's Privates, Platoon, Glory, Braveheart, Patton, and Antz; the fight between the ants and the termites is classic. ;)

Kitty =^..^=

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[I/O Error]

Glory is a kick-ass American Civil War movie, make no doubt about it. Lots of good things to mull over in that one...

[illo]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kanonier Reichmann:
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the 1950's film titled "Der Brucke" (sorry, no umlaut on my keyboard) which literally means The Bridge. A very moving, anti war movie with great close in fighting against Shermans. And if you had to fight as the German side against those odds in Combat Mission you would probably concede before starting. http://www.battlefront.com/discuss/wink.gif


Regards


Jim R.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


If i just had change to see that film again! http://www.battlefront.com/discuss/smile.gif Der Brücke is just awesome. Stalingrad and Das Boot follow close behind. Winter War is not bad either.

[Germanboy]

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[Chupacabra]

MASH.

MadMatt makes a pretty good 'Hot Lips.'

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[Sergei]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kanonier Reichmann:
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the 1950's film titled "Der Brucke" (sorry, no umlaut on my keyboard) which literally means The Bridge. A very moving, anti war movie with great close in fighting against Shermans. And if you had to fight as the German side against those odds in Combat Mission you would probably concede before starting. http://www.battlefront.com/discuss/wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, it is Die Brücke. Now write it 100 times. http://www.battlefront.com/discuss/tongue.gif

I wonder, why my Volksturm squads never accomplish such feats? Oh yes, my opponents never hesitate to shoot infants. Swines!

[Dr. Buhl]

Die Br? was indeed a great movie. ABTF was also great because one got tired of men screaming and dying all the time - witch is a very good point in a war movie.

SPR is a very realistic war movie but I would like to ask Hollywood and Spielberg why on earth they always has to put a terrible plot in their movies. Why does the German soldier they capture and then let go again have to shot Tom Hanks and stick a knife in one of the other heroes? I mean someone else could have shot them without ruining the movie. It's just crap if you ask me. What is the moral in that?

[Polar]

In a most certain order:

1) Lawrence of Arabia

2) Schindler's List

3) A Bridge Too Far

4) The Eagle Has Landed (extremely fictional, I know... but some of the best squad level fighting scenes in a war movie)

5) Steele Helmet

6) Patton

7) Saving Private Ryan ... the gest virtual war creation money can buy wrapped arround 40 minutes of silliness (ie. Why didn't they just blow the damn bridge??? It would have taken the Corp of Engineers all of 10 minutes to replece that dinky thing! And my favorite: the coward finally bags an unarmed German and NOW he is a man? :^)) ... Maybe it shouldn't be this high? It's really just a tech demo.

8) Thin Red Line ... if you are going to knock this movie because of the non-reality... well throw out all of the war movies. It's still a great movie.

My brain is feezing up... it's sad when you can think of a million war movies, but you can't pick out more than 8 for a best of list...

I am sure there are more, but the bad ones are getting in the way.

Battle of the Buldge???? God what an terrible movie. Who knew that a handful of guys stopped the Axis push by rolling flaming oil drums on approaching tanks???

What is this... Spartacus???

Joe

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[Polar]

Oooops... Steele Helmet is Korea I think...

Great movie anyway...

Joe

[Chupacabra]

And Lawrence of Arabia is WW1, but who's counting? http://www.battlefront.com/discuss/wink.gif

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[Stefan Fredriksson]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Germanboy:
'The Train'<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
If you are referring to the one with Burt Lancaster, I totally agree. I didn't know what to expect before seeing it, but it was great - in a horrible way.

I would say CM is to other tactical war-games, what "Winter War" is to the Sven Hassel movie "Döden på larvfötter" (can't remember the English title...)

[Stefan Fredriksson]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by I/O Error:

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(Also, can someone PLEASE tell me why he was so STUPID at the end in that meadow? No more details in case someone DOES want to see the movie, just asking whoever watched it already)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I would also like to know. Perhaps it was something like "war is futile and senseless..."?

But I think Thin Red Line wasn't that bad. The fighting scenes are very well done.

[Kanonier Reichmann]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dr. Buhl:


SPR is a very realistic war movie but I would like to ask Hollywood and Spielberg why on earth they always has to put a terrible plot in their movies. Why does the German soldier they capture and then let go again have to shot Tom Hanks and stick a knife in one of the other heroes? I mean someone else could have shot them without ruining the movie. It's just crap if you ask me. What is the moral in that?
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Hang on, hang on... the guy who stuck the knife into one of the SPR "hero's" in that memorable hand to hand scene was different from the German prisoner they let escape surely. Although they looked similar, if memory serves me right the knife man seemed to represent the typical seasoned German veteran who wore a slightly different uniform (possibly Fallschirmjaeger?) compared with the "dastardly" Wehrmacht former prisoner in his feldgrau uniform. Anybody know for sure?

Regards

Jim R.

[argie]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kanonier Reichmann:
Hang on, hang on... the guy who stuck the knife into one of the SPR "hero's" in that memorable hand to hand scene was different from the German prisoner they let escape surely. Although they looked similar, if memory serves me right the knife man seemed to represent the typical seasoned German veteran who wore a slightly different uniform (possibly Fallschirmjaeger?) compared with the "dastardly" Wehrmacht former prisoner in his feldgrau uniform. Anybody know for sure?


Regards


Jim R.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Is the same guy... The uniform thing was confusing, but he is the same guy http://www.battlefront.com/discuss/frown.gif

Ariel

[Polar]

Oooops... WW I... you're absolutely right.

And no, the guy in the knife fight was different then the prisoner (who IS the guy they let go after assaulting the HMG).

But that is the silliness that I mentioned... first they show guys killing Germans on the beach after the D-Day invasion and it's an atrocity. Then the heroes let a guy go under similar circumstances and they are shown to be (as a group) vituous.

Then the weeny coward shoots the guy anyway at the end after he kills Tom Hanks .... not fighting, but unarmed just like he was before... but now it's some kind of vituous act???

And what's the deal with letting the guy go anyway? The HMG shows clearly that they are in a VERY grey area when it comes to battle lines. Are they taking the German at his word that he wouldn't head back for HIS side?

They were being stupid.

Joe

[Manx]

If its not the same guy...when Upham (was that his name?) persuaded the other's to let him go, why did, what appears to be the same guy, walk straight past Upham (down the stairs) after the knife-fight in the house. My understanding was that he had recognised Upham as the guy who had helped him before?.

The later scene of Upham shooting him unarmed, was i think, supposed to be some sort of indication of how war can change even the most mild-mannered people, which Upham was portrayed as throughout the whole movie up to that point.

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[Hota]

My vote goes to Battleground with Van Johnson. Although I haven't seen it in years, I remember it being very accurate and still the only WW2 film I've seen with an M1919A6? (the MMG introduced late in the war to make the M1919 more mobile by adding a butstock and bipod).


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[Stefan Fredriksson]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Manx:
If its not the same guy...when Upham (was that his name?) persuaded the other's to let him go, why did, what appears to be the same guy, walk straight past Upham (down the stairs) after the knife-fight in the house. My understanding was that he had recognised Upham as the guy who had helped him before?....<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
The German doing the knife-killing is NOT the same as they let go earlier in the film.
Also look at his expression when passing Upham in the stairs. He sees Upham is no threat/coward/etc. As I see it he insults Upham in the worst possble way, by ignoring him.

Why did they let the guy go after the MG-nest? Well, executing him would most probably be counted as murder. They couldn't bring prisoners. So letting him go, hoping he would be caught by follow-on forces was perhaps the only realistic option.

And on the other hand: I see no problem with the German guy returning to his own lines. I mean, isn't a prisoner's first duty to try to escape, go back to his lines, continue fighting???
If Spielburg was trying to make the German guy look like the bad guy, and Upham redeeming himself by shooting an unarmed guy in the end, he (Spielburg) did a less than p*ss-poor job.

[This message has been edited by Stefan Fredriksson (edited 01-03-2001).]

[General Panic]

regarding the two Germans in SPR

Read VideoHound's War Movies. They actually have a sidebar about the confusion between the two characters.

Good book, too.

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[Monte99]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dr. Buhl:
Why does the German soldier they capture and then let go again have to shot Tom Hanks and stick a knife in one of the other heroes? I mean someone else could have shot them without ruining the movie. It's just crap if you ask me. What is the moral in that?

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The German who was captured and released by Miller's men is NOT the one who stabbed one of them later. Two different Germans. Examine the scenes in question and it becomes clear.

[This message has been edited by Monte99 (edited 01-03-2001).]

[Buckwheat]

Lots of great movie suggestions; I'm going to have to find Die Brucke and The Train.

I'd like to add Kenneth Branagh's Henry V to the list (although I guess we've gone beyond comparisons with Combat Mission).

[Terence]

How is it that nobody has mentioned "The Bridge on the River Kwai" yet?

that is a first rate movie. Just bought the DVD today, actually...

[brooktrout]

(Also, can someone PLEASE tell me why he was so STUPID at the end in that meadow? No more details in case someone DOES want to see the movie, just asking whoever watched it already)

Seems to me he was leading the enemy away from his wounded buddy in the river and ended up surrounded in the meadow, not much he could do at that point. Not sure why so many japanese were following one man though. I personally liked The Thin Red Line because I had read the complete James Jones trilogy and liked all of the books. It was hardly a true adaptation of the book but still a excellent movie IMO.
Just curious, anyone seen the 1964 version of Thin Red Line? I have it on order but curious if anyone has already seen it. It's supposed to be a little truer to the novel.

[I/O Error]

No no, I mean why did he raise his gun? I mean, the Japanese soldiers seemed, to MY eye, to be quite reasonable, basically saying, drop the gun and you live.

And he decides to try shooting one of them?! Idiot...

[Dr. Buhl]

The German who was captured and released by Miller's men is NOT the one who stabbed one of them later. Two different Germans. Examine the scenes in question and it becomes clear.

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OK some of you have obviously seen the movie a couple of times, so you must know that it wasn't the same German. I only saw it once so that maybe explains my misunderstanding.

Thanks for clearing that mistake out http://www.battlefront.com/discuss/smile.gif

But to me it still gets a bit far out when the prisenor German is the only German on that bridge who can aim his gun probably to hit Hanks and then (I'm still looking for the moral in that) he gets it from the little guy later - the movie would have been better without that in my opinion.
But hey it's still better than burning oil to stop Panzers http://www.battlefront.com/discuss/smile.gif

[I/O Error]

I have to be honest, I've seen the movie several times, and I STILL think the German on the bridge was the one they released.

Maybe it's just me, but I can't see much POINT in those scenes if it wasn't the same guy...

[Mr. Clark]

I've seen it several times, and I also think it's the same German.
I'll try watching it again tonite and see if I can tell.

[Firefly]

Back to the original question, I'd add my vote for Cross of Iron too. Another I always throw into discussions like this is the old classic fron the 50's - 'A Walk in the Sun' with Montgomery Clift - revolutionary for it's time it wasn't gung-ho, didn't have nasty treacherous Germans, just the story of a bunch of American kids on a routine patrol in Italy. And it was mentioned in a Clash song as well http://www.battlefront.com/discuss/wink.gif.



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[Dar]

Regarding the SPR debate:

The guy that they capture and release, and who winds up on the bridge later to shoot Tom Hanks's character is the same guy: "Steamboat Willie" in the credits, I believe. He's regular army/Heer/Wehrmacht.

The guy who wins the knife fight is an SS man, and he is much bigger than Willie. Check out the scene of him passing Upham on the stairs-- the guy is huge!

They just all look the same because of the crew cuts. Although, as I recall, the Germans allowed hair much longer than the US Army did.


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[Mr. Clark]

Thanks DAR, I have not had time to re-watch it myself.

[I/O Error]

Damn! Yeah, THAT would explain it. Okay so, the knive fighting guy is only seen once, and then he disappears. Cool.