The New Depot

[BirdGunner]

Hi all!

Looking for an update on the new scenario depot project... I know it is a huge undertaking but have not heard anything new about it lately, so was wondering when can we expect to see the site come online...

BirdGunner

[British Tommy]

GJK is the guy working on it. Best thing to do is post a message at the Proving grounds.

[BirdGunner]

I had placed the question there a couple of days ago, but had not heard anything yet. So figured throw the question out here and see if anyone else might have heard anything new. There are more inputs on the forum here than at TPG.

[GJK]

In case you missed it at TPG:


Originally posted by: birdgunner:
Hi all!

Looking for an update on the new scenario depot project... I know it is a huge undertaking but have not heard anything new about it lately, so was wondering when can we expect to see the site come online...

Thanks

BirdGunner
I have the new design done (graphics) and about 70% of the coding for the basic portion of the site (enabling file uploads, author administration). The fancy stuff (ratings) is next on my to do.

[Tagwyn]

GJK: Great!! Thanks man!! TAG

[imported_KG_ThorsHammer]

Losing the depot was horrible, such a great site; it was a BIG loss to the cm community:(

Hope its son does daddy proud

[GJK]

Spent the past couple of days getting the template ready - I'm curious for feedback, particularly from Mac/Safari users as it's untested in that browser:

LINK (http://www.garykrockover.com/sample/TSD2/template2.html)

Note that the images are not optimized, they're at full resolution, so that's on the "to do" list. Also, nothing here is funcional at this point, just getting the template worked out.

Feedback welcomed.

[Wicky]

OSX 10.4.2 Safari 2.0.1 (412.5) Looks fine - much better than the old depot smile.gif

Screenshot (http://homepage.mac.com/spaderunner/.Public/Picture1.gif)

[GJK]

Outstanding - thanks Wickster!

[Thin Red Line]

Very nice !

[Richie]

Looks Great!

[Aragorn2002]

Must have been how the Knight Hospitallers felt after losing Rhodes to the Turks and finding Malta as their new home...Great news.

[HarryInk]

Bravo mate. Great news, great new site, great amount of kudos to you for providing this wonderful service to the community. Thanks.

[easytarget]

bump

[GJK]

I'm very close to having a spot that we can store/search for/download scenarios. I just need to finish up on some advanced features - but I'm thinking that I can do that even after the site is live, so I may just launch what I have.

Look for something next week - that's what I'm shooting for.

[_UXcva]

Originally posted by GJK:
I'm curious for feedback, particularly from Mac/Safari users as it's untested in that browser
Looks very good in Camino(1.0b1), and Safari 2.0.2, OS X 10.4.3

- Note: I never browse at this size and have a fairly wide monitor (17" viewable) but there is a bit of a glitch if the window is more then approx. 16" wide. See picture (http://home.earthlink.net/~captts/images/template2mac.jpg)

[Sergei]

Wheeeee!

[Runyan99]

Looks cool.

[patboy]

Hi all,

I remember many months ago a question I already asked :
Is it possible that "scenarios designers" begin to name their own scenarios by campaign theatre?

example:

Po-39-Sep01 "name" for Poland
Ru-41-Jun22 "name" for Russia
Tu-43-May11 "name" for Tunisia
Li-42-Oct12 "name" For Libya
Fr-44-Jun06 "name" for France

etc etc...

It's more easy to find 'em in zip folder, then you can easily install scenarios in each CM version you have.

example :

En-40-Aug15 "name" for CMAK sealion
Fr-44-Jun12 "name" for CMAK Normandy
Be-44-Dec16 "name" for CMAK ETO
Ru-44-Jul22 "name" For CMBB
Si-43-Jul23 "name" for CMAK

etc etc....

Thanks for all "scenarios designers" to keep in mind this old request for an old CM battlefronter.

Cheers

Pat

[Sergei]

Naming conventions like that have the problem that the CM scenario list shows only so many characters in the name field, then it starts removing them from the beginning...

[Frenchy]

Excellent work. Will you need files from authors or were you able to get them from the old Scenario Depot?

[GJK]

Originally posted by Frenchy:
Excellent work. Will you need files from authors or were you able to get them from the old Scenario Depot? Well, we're going to have a big, empty, slate basically. Since the details of each scenario are stored in the database, they must be entered in manually. Unfortunately, Adm. Keth lost all that he had so I was never given a backup of that database. So, it'll have to be a community project to restore old scenarios while of course adding new ones.

[Frenchy]

Ok. I still have mine so getting them uploaded will not be a problem.

[easytarget]

so, how things going at this point?

[GJK]

I'm going through some final testing now. Unless something comes up, I should have the site live by new years - New Years day release perhaps. smile.gif

[easytarget]

just checking back to see how close things are at this point.... smile.gif

[KG_Jag]

GJK--as a CMBO, CMBB, CMAK pack rat, I have a large collection of battles and ops for all three games. If you find that you are missing any specific battle and op, send me a list of what you need. I can get on it in about a week, when I return to the land of Antone's, Chuys and the Horns.

[GJK]

The site is open for beta-testing. I *think* everything is in order, but you never know until a number of you have gone through it:

http://www.the-scenario-depot.com

Don't cry if a scenario that you upload gets deleted or sumfink.... smile.gif

Actually, please report any bugs/issues/requests/bitches/praises to me (email in link) or post a message on the site.

KG_Jag: What we have is a clean slate for uploading scenarios. I was not given the databases that Adm. Keth had for the old site, and so I have no data for any of the old scenarios. Since all the parameters for the scenarios must be present in the database, just uploading the scenario files does no good (better off zipping and uploading those to CMMODS). So, it will be a big ole' community project to repopulate TSDII with old and new scenarios.

[GreenAsJade]

Gary - this is looking AWESOME!

I'm working my way through trying it out now.

First issue: the "download" page tells me that the purpose of downloading the scenario is to provide feedback to the author.

Actually, that's not the case for TSDII, right? That's the case for TPG. For TSDII the purpose of downloading the scenario is to play it and enjoy it. Even better if the person decides to provide feedback after.

More comments to follow, I'm sure. None meant as criticism in any way, just constructive feedback. Thanks for the fantastic work!

GaJ

[ December 31, 2005, 05:12 PM: Message edited by: GreenAsJade ]

[GreenAsJade]

OK - next comment:


10 - Outstanding scenario. I feel that I'll find a challenge each time that I play it.

9 - Excellent scenario. This one will receive multiple playings.

8 - Very good scenario. I will play it again and will suggest it to others.

7 - Good scenario, willing to play it again.

the rating systsem SHOULD NOT suppose that the quality of a scenario is based on whether you feel like playing the scenario again.

I *never* (or almost never) play a scenario a second time, no matter how much I like it.

The rating of a scenario should be based on whether you enjoyed it, not whether you plan to play it again.

I feel strongly about this one. Definitely need to fix these words.

GaJ

[GreenAsJade]

With respect to the rating system: here's a comment I passed to Gary by email a little while back ... just airing it here to get it on public record.

I would really like to see the review rating separated out based on whether you are reviewing as two-player or VS AI play.

I want it separated out that way so that I can sort results based on review ratings that were given for the kind of play I'm interested in.

I think it is sub-optimal to be combining ratings from players who played vs AI with players who played 2 player. These are completely different things and will give a completely different play experience.

GaJ

[GreenAsJade]

This is a Fictional Scenario
Please keep that in mind when reviewing this scenario. Historical accuracy may be at a minimum in order to maximize the game play. I very much like this banner.

I would put it right down next to the text box where the person is about to type (believe it or not, I didn't even notice it the first time I came to the review page: my eyes went straight to "where do I type?" smile.gif

GaJ

[GreenAsJade]

Small comment: you might make it clear that a second review of the same sceanario replaces the first (doesn't add another review).

GaJ

[GreenAsJade]

Actually, please report any bugs/issues/requests/bitches/praises to me (email in link) or post a message on the site. Ooops - just noticed this request smile.gif

It's perhaps worth commenting that I'm not too keen on having to go to a different forum for reading discussions about CM related things. Here's the place where I come for that.

The TPG forum (on which TSDII is modelled) has the added disadvantage that it is not threaded, so it's really hard to keep track of who is saying what to whom: the context of most "threads" of conversation has disappeared off the bottom of the page by the time even quite regular visitors get back.

TSDII fourm will probably not suffer so much from that in the first few days, because everyone will be applauding and giving feedback: that's all one thread. But as soon as other "side discussions" start, it will have the same problem.

Regards,

GaJ
(edited to make it more polite, which is was intended to be from the start! I've copied my comments over to TSDII forum, and am putting any further feedback there, as requested).

[ December 31, 2005, 06:34 PM: Message edited by: GreenAsJade ]

[GJK]

Originally posted by GreenAsJade:
Gary - this is looking AWESOME!

I'm working my way through trying it out now.

First issue: the "download" page tells me that the purpose of downloading the scenario is to provide feedback to the author.

Actually, that's not the case for TSDII, right? That's the case for TPG. For TSDII the purpose of downloading the scenario is to play it and enjoy it. Even better if the person decides to provide feedback after.

More comments to follow, I'm sure. None meant as criticism in any way, just constructive feedback. Thanks for the fantastic work!

GaJ Thanks GaJ, holdover from TPG - that has been reworded (temporarily for now, I'll get more creative at a later time).

[General Bolt]

Let us not forget Gary does this out the kindness of his own heart and his own wallet. There is a paypal link at the bottom of the left column. smile.gif

Maybe if we pay him enough, he'll offer online courses on Bayesian statistical analysis. :confused: :confused: :confused: Uber confused. ;)

[General Bolt]

Do you plan on up loading all the old scenarios that are now zipped at the CMMODS site?

[FGM_Smashing]

great work ...excellant..full marks

[GJK]

Thanks GB. See This Post (http://www.battlefront.com/discuss/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=6;t=003342;p=1#0000 09) for the breakdown of the bayesian average. And yes, I need to update the FAQ on the site with an even more detailed explanation, but to summarize, basically if a scenario has less than 30 reviews, then a number of "averaged" reviews are thrown in to make up 30 reviews (actual reviews less 30). The average is a 5.55 rating. As a review is added to a scenario, a bayesian average is thrown out.

This keeps scenarios with only one or two ratings from garnering the high (or low) end of the Top 100 list if it is a high (or low) rating. This also allows it to still potentially be displayed on the list instead of doing a simple "hide all scenarios that don't have "x" number of reviews".

See also a test page that I built that lets you play with adding some ratings to see how they average out: LINK (http://www.garykrockover.com/uploads/numberstest.html)

GaJ asked if perhaps the 30 was too high of a number of averages to throw in. I think at this point only time will tell - but I can change that should we find that it is too high. I'm confident though that scenarios will bypass the 30 review mark as the site becomes used more and more.

[GJK]

Originally posted by General Bolt:
Do you plan on up loading all the old scenarios that are now zipped at the CMMODS site? This question needs to be added to the FAQ page as well... :D

Simply FTP'ing the scenarios up to the site wont add them to the database which holds all of the parameters for each scenario. So, no, they will all need to be uploaded properly via the scenario upload feature at the site.

[easytarget]

just as a point of clarification then..

users who happen to have scenarios they've downloaded from the old SD or from CMMODS are expected to upload them to the new SD2 in order to populate it out?

[junk2drive]

It would be preferable for the original designer to upload his own work.
That way you could search by designer.

[easytarget]

agreed

but that potentially means many of the older ones (i.e. CMBO) are effectively gone forever if the author's have moved on to other things...

[GreenAsJade]

So we come to a question: should people be able to upload to TSDII _other_ people's scenarios under the _other_ person's name!?

I can see the argument why not, but OTOH I think that the benefits might outweigh the drawbacks.

Something to chew over perhaps?

GaJ

[easytarget]

my 2 cents would be realistically we'll never see hundreds or even thousands of the scenarios originally posted at SD on SD2 unless someone other than the original author's put them up there...

[GJK]

Maybe we can start an "Help in locating MIA Scenario Designer's" (or something more originally titled) thread here to see if some of those authors can be tracked down. We can then see if they're either interested in joining and uploading their scenarios again or if they'll give permission for someone else to do it <u>in their own name</u>. I'd rather not have to deal with multiple accounts per person as it would throw the cookie and log in scheme on the site way off.

My $.02.

[GreenAsJade]

"Find the MIA" is a nice idea.

Having people upload other people's work in the uploader's name I think opens the door to unhappiness.

I'd rather see the capability to upload on behalf of another author. In fact, you could actually separate out "the person who is logged in" from "the author" (at the moment the assumption is that they are the same person).

Can anyone articulate why it is a bad idea to enable this? I can ony vaguely anticipate some of the arguments, but because I don't think it's the case myself, I can't make a convincing argument!

GaJ

[General Bolt]

First of all I say most authors that submitted work to TSD1 would probably be glad to see their files being transfered to TSD2 with proper recognition.

"Find MIA Authors" is a great idea, however comma if in a reasonable time the authors don't show something should be done to preserve those great works. I'd say 30 or 60 even 90 days would be a reasonable time.

I agree creating accounts in the other authors name is not the right thing to do.

But after that 60 days has passed, you could create an account called: "Uploader Subsitute Dude" or some disclaimer named account. All unclaimed scenarios could be loaded under that account. In the Authors Comment box the real authors name would be listed. If and when the author comes around the file could be moved under his name.

Couple of problems:
If someone was searching for more scenarios by the same author - copuld be hard to find.
There are scenarios out there that don't have a breifing so the real author may never be known.

[GreenAsJade]

I really like the "Uploader Substitute Dude" account idea.

Here is something posted over at We Band of Brothers (http://p089.ezboard.com/fwebandofbrothersfrm1.showMessage?topicID=6994.top ic)

Interesting intellectual property issue. I'm a scientist, not a lawyer. For what is worth, here is my opinion:

1) As long as the original author is not being deprived of income, then the main issues concern
(1a) giving credit to the authors, which probably easily solved, and (1b) whether they have any moral, if not legal, copyright over the mass distribution of their scenarios, which is probably the key to the debate GaJ mentions.

2) Assuming the the original authors have at least a moral control over mass distribution through Scenario Depot II, then the courteous thing to do is to find the original authors and ask them whether they give their permission to upload the scenarios. I don't think it matters who does the upload so long as the author has given permission.

3) If reasonable efforts to locate an author fail, then it should be OK to upload the scenario.GaJ

[GreenAsJade]

It is worth noting that all the scenarios we're talking about are ones that *the original author already submitted to TSD for general distribution*.

It's a bit of a long bow to think that they would then complain about them being placed at TSDII. Especially when I'm sure if there was some eccentric person who felt like they didn't want their scenario at TSDII, then GJK could take it off in a flash!

GaJ

[General Bolt]

Originally posted by GreenAsJade:
I really like the "Uploader Substitute Dude" account idea.

Here is something posted over at We Band of Brothers (http://p089.ezboard.com/fwebandofbrothersfrm1.showMessage?topicID=6994.top ic)

</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> Interesting intellectual property issue. I'm a scientist, not a lawyer. For what is worth, here is my opinion:

1) As long as the original author is not being deprived of income, then the main issues concern
(1a) giving credit to the authors, which probably easily solved, and (1b) whether they have any moral, if not legal, copyright over the mass distribution of their scenarios, which is probably the key to the debate GaJ mentions.

2) Assuming the the original authors have at least a moral control over mass distribution through Scenario Depot II, then the courteous thing to do is to find the original authors and ask them whether they give their permission to upload the scenarios. I don't think it matters who does the upload so long as the author has given permission.

3) If reasonable efforts to locate an author fail, then it should be OK to upload the scenario.GaJ </font>[/QUOTE]Have you read the EULA for the game lately? No one ever does. I did on the CMAK demo back when. I cant get in to it now, without a reinstall. IIRC, it sez something like: The modder (I'd assume scwnario developer) can NOT charge a fee on any of their creations related to CM products. That answers the part of 1st point above.

[GJK]

Something to keep in mind - If the original authors name is put into the "Comments" section for an uploaded scenario, that name will turn up in a keyword search for scenarios (basic search, Keyword text box). Not that that is an answer to the problem, but something to keep in mind.

[Abbott]

Hey Gary,

I just sent you an e-mail concerning my Login information. Could you look it over when you have time please?

Regards,

Nick

[Fredrock1957]

It would be nice to put all the scenarios created placed at SDII, but if the author is unavailable maybe you can put them under 'See Description' and have someone research the info to put the authors name in the Comments field... (btw I would be willing to help with that if need be)... This should not be a big issue as the authors stuff is posted.... as a designer though I have seen some interesting things at some other sites... where I have had a scenario posted that is mine, with a link to the wrong place and the wrong file... and thus...... (you know the rest)....

I believe that GJK has stepped up and provided us with a great tool for distributing scenarios... much like he did for all us designers with The Proving Grounds (http://www.the-proving-grounds.com) ... Its true, that this will be the place to be for scenarios.... All that I ask for.... :eek: is there a way you can provide the designer to provide a link to the scenario file rather then uploading, as so, when making changes, (or maybe this shouldnt happen... since 'said' scenario should be done) :rolleyes: , one does not have to place 'said' scenario file to multiple locations...(just thinkin out loud)... as I am not to sure with what to do with scenarios from 'Sie Kommen', 'Red Beard 1189', and the 'Sweet Lorraine' battle packs.... :eek:

Thanks GJK... whatever my ignorance may tell me about you :D ... as always UDAMAN !!!

That is all...

[GJK]

Originally posted by Abbott:
Hey Gary,

I just sent you an e-mail concerning my Login information. Could you look it over when you have time please?

Regards,

Nick I just noticed that you logged on, good to see you back #2!

(Abbott is member #2 from TPG/TSDII - he got there before I could sign up as member #3).
:D

[GJK]

Originally posted by Fredrock1957:
It would be nice to put all the scenarios created placed at SDII, but if the author is unavailable maybe you can put them under 'See Description' and have someone research the info to put the authors name in the Comments field... (btw I would be willing to help with that if need be)... This should not be a big issue as the authors stuff is posted.... as a designer though I have seen some interesting things at some other sites... where I have had a scenario posted that is mine, with a link to the wrong place and the wrong file... and thus...... (you know the rest)....

I believe that GJK has stepped up and provided us with a great tool for distributing scenarios... much like he did for all us designers with The Proving Grounds (http://www.the-proving-grounds.com) ... Its true, that this will be the place to be for scenarios.... All that I ask for.... :eek: is there a way you can provide the designer to provide a link to the scenario file rather then uploading, as so, when making changes, (or maybe this shouldnt happen... since 'said' scenario should be done) :rolleyes: , one does not have to place 'said' scenario file to multiple locations...(just thinkin out loud)... as I am not to sure with what to do with scenarios from 'Sie Kommen', 'Red Beard 1189', and the 'Sweet Lorraine' battle packs.... :eek:

Thanks GJK... whatever my ignorance may tell me about you :D ... as always UDAMAN !!!

That is all... That's a good suggest Freddy but I'm not sure that I can implement that without a major rewrite of the database structure - but let me look at things and see how best that can be handled - I do understand your point though.

Also, regarding the MIA authors - there may be yet another option. If I create a template Excel spreadsheet that matches the data structure of the databases that can be passed around and populated, I can then export/import that information along with the scenario files to the site. We would have to be very careful to make sure that the data was accurate and the real potential problem would be getting the filename correctly recorded to the spreadsheet - the database is case-sensitive and of course spelling must be correct or else we'll get a 404 (file not found) error when someone goes to download the scenario.

If that sounds like a project that the community would like to work on, I'll make the spreadsheet.

[Abbott]

Originally posted by GJK:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Abbott:
Hey Gary,

I just sent you an e-mail concerning my Login information. Could you look it over when you have time please?

Regards,

Nick I just noticed that you logged on, good to see you back #2!

(Abbott is member #2 from TPG/TSDII - he got there before I could sign up as member #3).
:D </font>[/QUOTE]Thank you for the e-mail Gary, it was a quick and easy fix. The new Depot is looking good!

[GreenAsJade]

Originally posted by General Bolt:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by GreenAsJade:
I really like the "Uploader Substitute Dude" account idea.

Here is something posted over at We Band of Brothers (http://p089.ezboard.com/fwebandofbrothersfrm1.showMessage?topicID=6994.top ic)

</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> Interesting intellectual property issue. I'm a scientist, not a lawyer. For what is worth, here is my opinion:

1) As long as the original author is not being deprived of income, then the main issues concern
(1a) giving credit to the authors, which probably easily solved, and (1b) whether they have any moral, if not legal, copyright over the mass distribution of their scenarios, which is probably the key to the debate GaJ mentions.

2) Assuming the the original authors have at least a moral control over mass distribution through Scenario Depot II, then the courteous thing to do is to find the original authors and ask them whether they give their permission to upload the scenarios. I don't think it matters who does the upload so long as the author has given permission.

3) If reasonable efforts to locate an author fail, then it should be OK to upload the scenario.GaJ </font>[/QUOTE]Have you read the EULA for the game lately? No one ever does. I did on the CMAK demo back when. I cant get in to it now, without a reinstall. IIRC, it sez something like: The modder (I'd assume scwnario developer) can NOT charge a fee on any of their creations related to CM products. That answers the part of 1st point above. </font>[/QUOTE]I think you misunderstood why #1 mentioned income.

Everyone knows that no-one can charge for these things. BFC has made it abundantly clear.

Thus the reason #1 is mentioned is **clearly** no one is charging for this things so **clearly** no-one is loosing income from having their work distributed ... hence how could anyone mind if we post at TSDII their scenarios that were at TSD...

GaJ

[GreenAsJade]

Originally posted by GJK:


Also, regarding the MIA authors - there may be yet another option. If I create a template Excel spreadsheet that matches the data structure of the databases that can be passed around and populated, I can then export/import that information along with the scenario files to the site. We would have to be very careful to make sure that the data was accurate and the real potential problem would be getting the filename correctly recorded to the spreadsheet - the database is case-sensitive and of course spelling must be correct or else we'll get a 404 (file not found) error when someone goes to download the scenario.

If that sounds like a project that the community would like to work on, I'll make the spreadsheet. Can I paraphase to make sure I understand?

You're offering that if we fill out a spreadsheet with TSD details of scnearios that were at TSD, then you will import that and make it look as if the original author put the scenario at TSDII ... IE make it look as if it was transferred straight from TSD to TSDII

?

That sounds like an excellent way to go. Surely those who are calling for the TSD scenarios to be posted will help with putting in the details in this way...

GaJ

[GJK]

Originally posted by GreenAsJade:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by GJK:


Also, regarding the MIA authors - there may be yet another option. If I create a template Excel spreadsheet that matches the data structure of the databases that can be passed around and populated, I can then export/import that information along with the scenario files to the site. We would have to be very careful to make sure that the data was accurate and the real potential problem would be getting the filename correctly recorded to the spreadsheet - the database is case-sensitive and of course spelling must be correct or else we'll get a 404 (file not found) error when someone goes to download the scenario.

If that sounds like a project that the community would like to work on, I'll make the spreadsheet. Can I paraphase to make sure I understand?

You're offering that if we fill out a spreadsheet with TSD details of scnearios that were at TSD, then you will import that and make it look as if the original author put the scenario at TSDII ... IE make it look as if it was transferred straight from TSD to TSDII

?

That sounds like an excellent way to go. Surely those who are calling for the TSD scenarios to be posted will help with putting in the details in this way...

GaJ </font>[/QUOTE]Yes, that is exactly the idea.

I think the way to proceed on this is to first try and contact the authors (of course) - they may have some reasons known only to them for why they don't want the scenario to be available at all. Or, they may decide that they want to adjust the scenario in some way or they want to upload the scenario themselves.

After we've exhausted those options, then I think we should build out the spreadsheet *if* the author grants permission for us to do it. For authors that can't be found no matter how hard we try - I'll leave it up to you guys if you want to put their info into the spreadsheet or not. I can always remove a scenario if he shows up later and has an objection.

Correct that - I don't feel like retyping it all so I'll say that maybe we should make the spreadsheet first so that we have a worksheet to go off of. We can then remove rows if the author shows up and wants to upload it himself.

I'll email the spreadsheet to you GaJ if you want to get the ball rolling on it. We need to make sure that we don't get 50 different versions of the spreadsheet though as I don't want duplicates and I wont care to do a compare and merge operation making sure that nothing is duplicated if you know what I mean.

[lucero1148]

Hi Would you please sends me the spreadsheet as well? I've got a few scenario's and op's from the original SD that I'l re-post at TPG as well.

lucero1148@netscape.net

Thanks and you're doing a real great job and serivce for the community!
All best
Patrick

[George MC]

Hi
Excellent news regarding the new Scenario Depot -and what a great job has been made of it.

Re uploading scenarios from the 'Old' Depot. I would prefer if none of my old ones were re-uploaded. A few have had changes since then, and I am working my way through uploading the newer versions onto the Scenario Depot Ver 2. If you anyone needs to contact me re what is what you can do so through mt email address in my profile or via my website (link below). Again many thanks to all those giving up their time to make the Scenario Depot II a great resource for the CM world. Guid New Year tae ane an a' :D

Cheers fur noo
George Mc

[GJK]

Originally posted by lucero1148:
Hi Would you please sends me the spreadsheet as well? I've got a few scenario's and op's from the original SD that I'l re-post at TPG as well.

lucero1148@netscape.net

Thanks and you're doing a real great job and serivce for the community!
All best
Patrick Hang on Patrick - I think that I'm going to make an online spreadsheet so that anyone can access it (might have to think on that - maybe a controlled access atmosphere) and I can control what goes into it to make sure that the fields are formatted properly. A spreadsheet that's passed around - I dunno, I can see that thing getting pretty mangled going from user to user.

More details on this as they come available.
;)

[GreenAsJade]

Online & controlled: would be fantastic.

If it's too much, and you want a coordinator so that it's not passed around and mangled: I can do that.

GaJ

[lucero1148]

Sounds good to me. Thanks will check the new scenario depot for the online spreadsheet. In the meantime how are scenario's being submitted there?

[GreenAsJade]

Authors are uploading them. Everyone can upload their own work right now. It's only _other_ people's work that's the question

[lucero1148]

Thanks will check itout and start uploading.
All best
Patrick

[GreenAsJade]

And hopefully reviewing too!

[Mad Russian]

I am doing as George Mc. I am going through all my old scenarios. Those that are good enough are being posted. Those that aren't are either being upgraded or will not be posted at all.

If you post my old scenarios on the site will I be able to delete them? That would allow you to go ahead and load the entire spreadsheet and I can delete any of mine that were at the old site.

If I won't be able to delete them, then I don't want them loaded to the site in the first place.

Most, if not all, of them need to be reworked to my current standards.

[Mad Russian]

Actually a concern for me would be that I have uploaded newer versions of most of my work that used to be on the old Scenario Depot. If you upload it now it may overwrite the files I have that are the upgraded versions.

I'd rather we didn't do that.

[Michael Dorosh]

Originally posted by GJK:
I think the way to proceed on this is to first try and contact the authors (of course) - they may have some reasons known only to them for why they don't want the scenario to be available at all. Or, they may decide that they want to adjust the scenario in some way or they want to upload the scenario themselves. Yup - I'd prefer it it anything I've done was NOT uploaded by anyone else. There are some real stinkers among the ones I've done, and I requested at least twice for them to be deleted from the original SD and it never happened.

[GJK]

And I agree - it's much easier for me if the original authors upload them - that way only they have the ability to modify the listing and/or delete them.

I think what should be done is first generate a list of proposed scenarios that people would like to see listed on the site - along with the author if known.

This list should then be made public and try every means possible to contact the authors to see if they will do the uploading themselves. We can then remove from the list any scenarios that the author will upload and/or doesn't want uploaded at all.

After some time and every effort has been made, we can then decide on how to proceed next with the list (completing the scenario details, and then actually uploading them if it is wanted by the community as a whole).

[General Bolt]

Originally posted by GJK:

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I think what should be done is first generate a list of proposed scenarios that people would like to see listed on the site - along with the author if known.
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ALL OF THEM!!! List complete. :D