CMBB Unit Database now Updated for 1.03 patch

[Wolfe]

The Unit Database has been updated with the new data from the CMBB 1.02 patch. Get it while it's hot!!

A list of what's changed:

Axis Guns
* Corrected penetration numbers on Nimrod gun.
* Added second AP shell to 40mm 40M AT gun as well as 40mm Bofors AA. And corrected HE and existing AP numbers.
* Corrected caliber-length on 47mm AT gun (now 47/L31).
* Renamed Zrinyi gun to Zrinyi II and added Hollow charge penetration numbers.

Allied Guns
* Changed caliber-length on 76mm M1942 ZiS-3 gun (now 76/L42), changed a few penetration numbers, and moved the entire entry up the page.
* Corrected availability dates for AP (lg) and APBC on 122mm M1943 D-25 gun.

Hungarian Infantry
* Added panzerfaust to Hungarian Tank Hunter team and specified its availability date.

German Tanks
* Added MG to StuG IV.
* Changed min range for German 50mm mortar.

Hungarian Tanks
* Corrected ROF on Toldi I.
* Corrected Ammo on Toldi I, IIa, and III.
* Corrected side armor on Turan I, I late, II, and II late.
* Changed Zrinyi name to Zrinyi II.
* Corrected front and side armor on Zrinyi II and II late.
* Added Hollow charge (O) designation to Zrinyi II and II late ammo types.
* Corrected ammo loadout for Nimrod.
* Change Panzer IIIJ short to Panzer IIIM.
* Changed availability date for Panther A.
* Corrected side and rear armor on Csaba.
* Changed ranges on 50mm and 81mm mortars and corrected typical ammo loadout for 50mm mortar.
* Changed ROF for 40mm 40M AT gun.
* Fixed gun designation for 47mm AT (now 47/L31).
* Added captured Russian 45mm M1938 AT and 76mm F-22 USV AT guns.

Soviet Tanks
* Changed lower front hull armor slope on T-34/76A M1940, 76B M1941, 76B M1941 cast, 76C M1942, 76D M1943 early, 76D M1943, 76D M1943 late, OT-34 M1942, OT-34 M1943, T-34/57 M1941, T-34/57 M1943, T-34/85 M1943, T-34/85 M1944, T-34/85 M1943 late, and OT-34/85 M1944.
* Changed hull slope on KV-1 M1939, KV-1 M1940, and KV-1E.
* Changed armor on IS-1, IS-2 M1943, IS-2 M1944 early, and IS-2 M1944.
* Changed armor on SU-85, SU-85M, SU-100, and SU-122.
* Changed availability date for 82mm M-8 amd 132mm M-13 rockets.


For printing purposes on the Tanks chart:
The German section probably doesn't need to be re-printed. Just add a '1-24' MG to the StuG IV, change the min distance on the 50mm Mortar from 75m to 60m, and change the 214mm Rocket availability date from Jan42 to Feb43. That's it for the German section.
The Finnish section is unchanged.
The Hungarian section has radically changed, so printing its two pages is recommended.
The Italian and Romanian (Axis) sections are unchanged.
The first two pages of the Soviet section should be re-printed. The rest can remain as-is except for the introduction dates for the 82mm M-8 and 132mm M-13 rockets, both of which change from Jun41 to Jul41.

For printing purposes on the Guns chart:
Reprint all the Axis stuff.
The Soviet M1942 ZiS-3 gun changed its caliber-length and a couple of its penetration numbers (as well as its position in the chart). And the availability dates for AP (lg) and APBC on the Soviet 122mm M1943 D-25 gun have changed.

For printing purposes on the Infantry chart:
Thankfully almost nothing changed. Only the addition of a panzerfaust AT weapon to the Hungarian Tank Hunter squad. And a note on its introduction date (May44).

Enjoy!

- Chris

[ April 07, 2003, 07:15 PM: Message edited by: Wolfe ]

[CombinedArms]

Wow, that was quick. Thanks!

You might want to post this message, too, on the main board, due to it's higher traffic.

[Wolfe]

Originally posted by CombinedArms:
You might want to post this message, too, on the main board, due to it's higher traffic.Probably a good idea. Thanks! smile.gif

- Chris

[KEEF888]

Great...thanks! :D

[Wolfe]

Tiny update.

* Added {PzIIIN} chassis designation to Romanian T-3.
* Added {38t} to Romanian T-38.
* Changed parenthesis typo (PzIII) to braces {PzIII} on Romanian TA Assault.

- Chris

[Subvet]

Wolfe, you are my hero! :D

[laxx]

me too!

[laxx]

wolfe, i have crew tables based on your spread sheet if you want. only vehicles only though.

[Wolfe]

Thanks, guys. smile.gif

Originally posted by laxx:
wolfe, i have crew tables based on your spread sheet if you want. only vehicles only though. Actually I'm about as finished as I can be with this stuff (unless there's another patch). :D There really isn't anymore room on the main tanks page anyway and the crew size is rather ancillary. But thanks!

- Chris

[Apache]

Excellent job!!

[Wolfe]

Finally added the Somua's gun (47f/L34) to the Guns chart. Whoops! smile.gif

- Chris

[Wolfe]

Corrected typo on IS-3's MGs. Was 1, now listed as 2 MGs.

- Chris

[Wolfe]

Fixed Silhouette on Romanian (Axis and Allied) SPW 222 (went from 13 to 63).

- Chris

[Three_Oh_Eight]

Wolfe,

Great work. Thanks!

[Wolfe]

Corrected calibre-length typo for Soviet 76mm M1942 ZiS-3 gun (went from 76/L52 to 76/L42) in tanks chart.

- Chris

[Wolfe]

Fixed availability date of Soviet squad-based RPG AT in infantry chart (from Jun41 to Jun43).

- Chris

[Wolfe]

Corrected Romanian (Axis) ZB-30 LMG ammo loadout (100) and men (6) for LMG available from Jun41-Mar42. And added Romanian (Axis) ZB-30 LMG with 4 men and 60 ammo (available Apr42-Aug44) in both Infantry chart and Tanks chart.

- Chris

[Wolfe]

Now updated for 1.03 patch.

* Corrected Tungsten penetration throughout the Guns chart.

* Changed armor on Finnish, Romanian (Axis), and Soviet BA-20.

* Corrected blast rating on Romanian 81mm mortar (both Axis and Allied).

* Added numerous Romanian Aircraft (Axis and Allied).

* Added HE to Brit 2pdr and corrected some AP Shot numbers.

* Added Canister to Soviet 76mm ZiS-3 gun in Guns and Tanks chart.

* Added Soviet Guards Regimental SMG Company to Infantry chart.

Pages changed:
Guns
All pages

Infantry
pg. 84 (Soviet SMG Co.)

Tanks
pg. 7 (Finnish BA-20)
pg. 13-14 (Romanian (Axis))
pg. 17 (Soviet BA-20)
pg. 23 (Romanian (Allied))

- Chris

[Wolfe]

Fixed caliber-length (was 76/L52, now 76/L42) and added Canister as an ammo type to Polish ZiS-3 gun on Tanks chart.

- Chris

[Brigadier]

DEAR GOD Chris! You Sir are a Gentleman and a Scholar .. and a devotee if ever there was one. May I give you a resounding HUZZAH (or is it UULRRAAHHH)! smile.gif

[Wolfe]

Originally posted by Brigadier:
DEAR GOD Chris! You Sir are a Gentleman and a Scholar .. and a devotee if ever there was one. May I give you a resounding HUZZAH (or is it UULRRAAHHH)! smile.gif Thank you very much. smile.gif

- Chris

[Wolfe]

Corrected caliber-length listing in tanks chart for Soviet 76mm tank gun (from 76/L52 to 76/L42) on:

Romanian (Axis) TACAM R-2, TACAM T-60
Soviet SU-76, SU-76M
Polish SU-76M
Romanian (Allied) TACAM R-2, TACAM T-60

- Chris

[Wolfe]

Fixed some typos in Infantry chart.

* Soviet Cavalry Rifle 41 squads each have 2 PPD/PPSh instead of 1.
* Soviet Cavalry Pioneer each have 1 PPD/PPSh, not 2.
* Soviet Ski Pioneer each have 1 PPD/PPSh, not 2.
* Soviet Naval Rifle 41 each have 2 PPD/PPSh, not 1.
* Soviet Naval Rifle 44 and 44H have 9 total men, not 11.
* Soviet Guards Rifle 43H, 44, and 44H have 9 total men, not 11.
* Soviet Guards Mechanized Pioneer each have 1 PPD/PPSh, not 2.
* Polish Infantry Rifle 44 and 44H have 9 total men, not 11.
* Polish Infantry Pioneer has 1 PPSh, not 2.

The perils of cut-n-paste. :mad:

- Chris

[guachi]

Chris,

Thanks for the work. I know how hard it is to do a CM database, cuz, like, I made one for CM:BO and it took a long time.

Jason

[Wolfe]

Originally posted by guachi:
Chris,

Thanks for the work. I know how hard it is to do a CM database, cuz, like, I made one for CM:BO and it took a long time.

JasonThanks, Jason. Glad you like it. And due to its 32467 units CMBB was even more fun to do than CMBO was. ;)

- Chris

[Wolfe]

Added SS-only MG37(t) HMG and ZB30 LMG machine guns to the German sections in the Infantry and Tanks charts.

- Chris

[General Bolt]

:confused: How/where does one download the 1.03 patch? :confused:

[Wolfe]

Originally posted by DingoBreath:
:confused: How/where does one download the 1.03 patch? :confused: It's currently a beta patch (they're still testing), and it's only for the US version of the game. If you have the European CDV version, do NOT try to install this patch.
ftp://ftp.battlefront.com/pub/patches/cmbb/

BTW the numbers in my charts are up-to-date for the 1.03a patch (current beta patch is version 1.03c). Once BTS gets the final 1.03 patch out I'll fully correct the penetration charts then.

- Chris

[Wolfe]

The CMBB Database has now been updated with data from the latest (and hopefully last) CMBB patch 1.03. The guns chart has been completely re-done; almost every gun's penetration numbers changed. Ugh! smile.gif The rest has remained the same.

Enjoy.

- Chris

[Elmo]

Thanks for the update!

[xerxes]

I'm a little confused.

Your charts show late war Romanian infantry have access to fausts. When I look in the scenario editor (late '44,'45) I can't find any fausts.

I'm running 1.03.

Has anyone else had this problem?

[Wolfe]

Originally posted by xerxes:
[QB] I'm a little confused.

Your charts show late war Romanian infantry have access to fausts. When I look in the scenario editor (late '44,'45) I can't find any fausts.
Panzerfausts for the Romanians are randomly assigned by the game engine. You can't edit them into the squads. If you want the squads to have fausts for a scenario, create an excessive number of Romanian platoons then Preview the map, find which platoons have fausts and which don't, then go back out and remove the ones that have few or no fausts. It's annoying, but there you go. :(

BTW, the Finn's fausts can be edited, but that's because their fausts were added in with a patch. Not sure why BTS decided to leave this functionality out of the editor for the Romanians.

- Chris

[Redwolf]

Is there a good reason to make it that hard for the user?

But thanks for the charts, Wolfe, you rock.

Can you verify the following minor nations availablity list is correct? I have never seen it posted somewhere.

Hungarian June41 - April45
Romanian June 41 - Aug44, switch sides Sep44 - End
Italian Aug 41 - Jan 43
Finnish June 41 - Jun 44
Polish Jan 45 - May 45
Partisans Jul 41 - Jul 44

[xerxes]

Thanks! I never would have figured that out.

[Wolfe]

Originally posted by redwolf:
Is there a good reason to make it that hard for the user?Not that I know of. I get the feeling BTS wanted to make faust availability very random for non-German squads (mostly Tank Hunters), so didn't bother to include them as a choice in the editor for those units.

But thanks for the charts, Wolfe, you rock.Thanks! :D

Can you verify the following minor nations availablity list is correct? I have never seen it posted somewhere.

Hungarian June41 - April45
Romanian June 41 - Aug44, switch sides Sep44 - End
Italian Aug 41 - Jan 43
Finnish June 41 - Jun 44
Polish Jan 45 - May 45
Partisans Jul 41 - Jul 44Looks right, except the Finns are available through Aug44.

- Chris

[Kanonier Reichmann]

Chris...you don't happen to be an actuary or an accountant do you? ;)

BTW, your hard work in producing such a comprehensive spreadsheet is sensational. You must have amazing patience!

Regards

Jim R.

[Wolfe]

Originally posted by Kanonier Reichmann:
BTW, your hard work in producing such a comprehensive spreadsheet is sensational. You must have amazing patience!
Thanks, Jim. I got started on a project and just couldn't stop! But now, hopefully, it's over with. At least until CMAK. ;)

- Chris

[Redwolf]

Did anybody ever collect a list of artillery data incl. blast value?

[xerxes]

ok, this is frustrating. I tried generating battallions of Romanians and nary (ie. zero) 'fauts were found. I tried it in the scenario generator and in a QB. (all set to '45 jan).

Any clues about what I'm doing wrong?

[Wolfe]

Originally posted by redwolf:
Did anybody ever collect a list of artillery data incl. blast value?Basics including blast value are in the tanks chart, but I didn't do the ETA this time. I did that for CMBO and won't do it again. It was a severe PITA. :(

- Chris

[Wolfe]

Originally posted by xerxes:
ok, this is frustrating. I tried generating battallions of Romanians and nary (ie. zero) 'fauts were found. I tried it in the scenario generator and in a QB. (all set to '45 jan).

Any clues about what I'm doing wrong?Yeah, apparently the Allied Romanians only get fausts from Sep44-Dec44 and I didn't notice. redface.gif

I'll have to note that in the charts.

- Chris

[Redwolf]

Originally posted by Wolfe:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by redwolf:
Did anybody ever collect a list of artillery data incl. blast value?Basics including blast value are in the tanks chart, but I didn't do the ETA this time. I did that for CMBO and won't do it again. It was a severe PITA. :(

- Chris </font>[/QUOTE]The ETA is actually much simpler than in CMBO, it only depends on the owning unit and experience. That's it.

Delay German regular:
- battalion 4 tubes: 1 min
- battalion 6 tubes: 2 min (maybe conincidence)
- regiment: 2 min
- division: 3 min
- corps: 7 min
- army: 15 min


Russian Dec 43:
regular green elite
- battalion 2 3(2) 2
- batt 9 tubes 3(2) 4(2) 2(2) (coinc?)
- regimental 5(4) 6(5) 4(3)
- division 8(6) 10(7) 7(5)
- corps 15(12) 18(15) 11(9)
- army 30(25) 37(31) 23(19)

The numbers in parenthesis are from 1944 on, the Russians get better reaction time for everything in 1944 (one experience level better).

[ June 11, 2003, 10:36 PM: Message edited by: redwolf ]

[Wolfe]

Originally posted by redwolf:
The ETA is actually much simpler than in CMBO, it only depends on the owning unit and experience. That's it.Good info. Thanks! But it still doesn't entice me to bother with it. smile.gif Sorry.

Feel free to do it up if you like. I'm sure some folks would love to have the info.

- Chris

[Wolfe]

Added terrain exposure numbers to the charts. And that's the end of it. No more. I swear! tongue.gif

- Chris

[Wolfe]

Added blurb to exposure chart concerning wheatfields turning to normal ground (75% exposure) when snow is on the ground.

- Chris

[Redwolf]

Hey you slacker, where are the HQ command range tables? tongue.gif

Just kidding. Did Jason list them for CMBB, maybe?

[Wolfe]

Originally posted by redwolf:
Hey you slacker, where are the HQ command range tables? tongue.gif

Just kidding. Did Jason list them for CMBB, maybe?:D

I don't know that anyone's done them for CMBB. If things haven't changed, the ones for CMBO are listed here under CM Accessories:
Band of Brothers (http://www.hulldown.org/kilroy/)

- Chris

[Wolfe]

On Infantry chart:

* Under Soviet firepower tables, added Cavalry 43 squad to Soviet Cavalry section and Mountain SMG squad to Soviet Mountain section.

* And corrected Airborne squad in Soviet Airborne section.

* Under Soviet Cavalry TOE, corrected Cavalry Regiment '43 from 2xCavalry41A Sqd to 2xCavalry43 Sqd.

* Under Soviet Mountain TOE, renamed Mountain Battalion '43 to Mountain Company '43.

- Chris

[KG_Jag]

Thanks for the update!

[Rob Murray]

Thanks for the effort! smile.gif

[Wolfe]

Glad you like it! And now there's even more stuff! smile.gif


Added artillery ETA chart.

Corrected a number of typos on tanks chart.
* Hungarian (Axis) 120mm Mortar FO intro date is Jan43.
* Italian (Axis) 81mm Mortar FO has 120 rounds and fires 4 to a volley.
* Romanian (Axis) 120mm Mortar FO intro date is Apr42.
* Soviet (Allied) 82mm Mortar FO had 200 rounds.
* Soviet (Allied) 120mm Mortar FO has 40 rounds.
* Soviet (Allied) 76mm Arty FO has 100 rounds.
* Soviet (Allied) 107mm Arty has 30 rounds.
* Soviet (Allied) 152mm How FO has 30 rounds.
* Soviet (Allied) 152mm Gun Arty name corrected.
* Soviet (Allied) 300mm M-31 Rkt FO now has Capacity and speed listed.

- Chris

[Wolfe]

Corrected a couple of typos on the new Arty chart.
* Soviet (Allied) 152mm Gun Arty has 20 rounds.
* Soviet (Allied) 300mm M-31 Rkt Arty available through May45.

- Chris

[ October 27, 2003, 06:20 PM: Message edited by: Wolfe ]