Hi, I'm new.

[Denwad]

I've only played the demo, and I'll buy the game soon.

I usually only play WWIIOL, and CS to cool off. I collect 1/6th figs (new to that too ;) ) and research AFVs and weapons of war. I'm 13 years of age and live on Eglin AFB.

I just beat the demo tutorial playing as the Germans (admittedly, 200% play balance :I) and am thrilled with the realism.

[Denwad]

doh! I forgot my question.

Has anyone beat the demo tutorial with no play balance?

I've come close, knocking out one T-34 and panicking the other one and assaulting it with inf. But the Russian hordes of inf and that 5cm mortar tear me apart.

Are there any altered scenarios for the demo?

[Pzman]

There are no other demo scenarios. The CMBB demo scenarios are meant to show the difference between CMBB and CMBO so they aren't the best for new players. Try the CMBO demo (although its older and not as good graphics) if you haven't already, because they are far more replayable. Have you tried using your own artillery btw? It helps to some dagree.

[ July 11, 2003, 07:26 PM: Message edited by: Panzerman ]

[zukkov]

welcome to the game and the forum youngster! you'll have a great time playing the game no doubt! have you ordered the full game yet? at your age, that might be a trick i suppose, but if you have the means, you won't regret it! you'll also find that most of the members are a year or 2 older than you, but you're welcome here just the same. love to see fresh blood enjoying a "real" man's game! lol..

anyway, to answer your question, and i'm assuming you're talking about the yelnia scenario, yep it's a toughie. especially as the german. i surrendered a couple of times trying that one from the german side. i'll leave it up to some of the good players to help you out, but it is very possible to win without giving yourself a handicap. just keep trying and read the forums. you'll learn a lot from these guys!

[Doghouse Reily]

Welcome Young Warrior.

[Raziaar]

The Yelnia stare, I just got done playing that in the BB demo as the germans. Damn was that hard! I only ever managed to take out two tanks, one for each anti tank gun that then got knocked out. It was basically a tough fight to hold back the advancing hoarde, but managed to hold out until like 46 turns, which gave me a 'tactical' victory at 68% to 42% or something win percentage in my favor.

[ng cavscout]

You said you lived on Eglin AFB, I assume that one or both of your parents are in the military, if so, try to get them to buy the game, tell them that they might like it as well.

[Denwad]

I havn't gotten my mother to order it yet, but I said soon because the 17th is my birthdate. My mom will order it, there aren't many rules around the house.

About the demo, I meant the tutorial. The one where you only have one AT gun without play balance.

[mike_the_wino]

Welcome Denwad. As previously mentioned the demos aren't that great. In fact, I found them darn near impossible. The scenarios that come with the game are much better. And if you don't like those you can create new ones to your hearts content.

I hope you enjoy your new time-suck...er, game..tactical simulation...flying karate monkey car game...or whatever you call it. :D

[Michael Emrys]

Originally posted by Denwad:
...live on Eglin AFB.Yeah? I grew up in that part of the country, Mobile, Alabama, and spent a fair amount of time in the Florida Panhandle. Watched the Blue Angels put on a show in Pensacola once. Ah, the memories.

As for the tutorial, I think it was written to be played from the Soviet side. If you are going to play it from the German side, you might give yourself something like a +25% edge until you get the hang of it and then try it as written.

Michael

[Bastables]

Originally posted by Denwad:
I havn't gotten my mother to order it yet, but I said soon because the 17th is my birthdate. My mom will order it, there aren't many rules around the house.

About the demo, I meant the tutorial. The one where you only have one AT gun without play balance. You're supposed to play that one as the Soviets, so that goes a fair way to explaining why you're finding it so difficult as the Germans. So it's not really built to be an easy win for the Germans.

[Michael Emrys]

Originally posted by mike_the_wino:
As previously mentioned the demos aren't that great.Oh, I don't know. I found the Kursk scenario pretty interesting if perhaps overly long.

Michael

[Donan]

Welcome! From one of the oldest to one of
the youngest, the game for all ages(!).

Donan

[laxx]

Denwad:

You are too young to be mixing with grumpy old men talking macho about APBC vs APC rounds or comparing Soviet Breakthru Doctrine vs German Blitzkrieg tactics.

Go and hang out with normal people your age group or else your family, peers and friends will look at you funny very quickly. "No Mum, SPR got it wrong, The Tiger tanks portrayed in the movie are actually Soviet T-34s. You could tell by looking at their wheels. Real Tigers had interleaved wheels. These Tigers clearly had the T-34 suspension. "


you have been warned!

[Denwad]

You warn me too late, when I first saw SPR I knew something was wrong with the running gear. I though it was a dressed up T-54/55.

Heck, I'm a guy that belives that one lucky sherman with the right ammo can take out a Tiger frontally.

[Bastables]

Originally posted by Denwad:
You warn me too late, when I first saw SPR I knew something was wrong with the running gear. I though it was a dressed up T-54/55.

Heck, I'm a guy that belives that one lucky sherman with the right ammo can take out a Tiger frontally. Yes, it's called the Firefly.

[Denwad]

I meant a normal sherman with APFSDS.

I just love small caliber AT guns, too bad their small diameter leaves it little chance of knocking out a tank if it penetrates. You should try to take out a PzIIIH with a Sa Mle 1934 from the front, it's almost impossible.

[HarryInk]

Welcome Denwad.

Ah....years from now you will think to yourself: "Christ!! I really wasted a lot of time with all that military stuff!" I did. I spent a happy decade free of militaria. Then I bumped into Combat Mission.

Oh the fall.

Just pray you discover girls early. Alas, your chances in that direction are NOT something that CM will enhance. Naughty CM!! Bad bad computer game.

[zukkov]

Originally posted by HarryInk:
Welcome Denwad.

Just pray you discover girls early. Alas, your chances in that direction are NOT something that CM will enhance. Naughty CM!! Bad bad computer game. nah, if cm had been around 30 years ago, the great philosopher, tom t hall, would've been singing about faster horses, older whiskey, combat mission, and more money. or perhaps old dogs, combat mission, and watermelon wine... ;)

[Joques]

Originally posted by zukkov:
you'll have a great time playing the game no doubt! have you ordered the full game yet? at your age, that might be a trick i suppose, but if you have the means, you won't regret it! Tsk tsk, peddling crack to the youngsters. What's this forum coming to..? smile.gif

[Michael Emrys]

Originally posted by Denwad:
I meant a normal sherman with APFSDS.Alright, kid! The gloves are coming off! Now yer gonna find out what this board is really all about!

;)

Seriously, the Sherman never had APFSDS...at least until the Israelis got ahold of it. In fact, I don't think anybody had APFSDS until, what, the late '60s (when did the Sovs start using it? I know they had it by the time of the Yom Kippur war).

And only the Firefly had APDS as far as I know.

Michael

[Michael Emrys]

Originally posted by HarryInk:
Just pray you discover girls early. Alas, your chances in that direction are NOT something that CM will enhance.Just think of it as the best birth control device known to man. The best birth control device known to woman is of course the headache.

Michael

[KNac]

A grog in process? No please! :D

[zukkov]

Originally posted by Joques:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by zukkov:
you'll have a great time playing the game no doubt! have you ordered the full game yet? at your age, that might be a trick i suppose, but if you have the means, you won't regret it! Tsk tsk, peddling crack to the youngsters. What's this forum coming to..? smile.gif </font>[/QUOTE]well if i'm a crack peddler then the bfc gang are the drug lords! lol...

[PoppinHobbit]

They convinced me to buy this game too. I was even warned once to run for it. I couldn't resist. The game is great, people friendly, on the other hand...I'm 16 and I'm not a potential grog. I'm a full blown numskull. You name it, I've forgotten it. Some people learn vocabulary and new things. I forget things instead of learning them.

[Denwad]

Oh, sorry, I misread APCR as APFSDS, don't know why. :confused: Been a while since I read my PE tech books.

[Nidan1]

Originally posted by Michael emrys:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Denwad:
I meant a normal sherman with APFSDS.Alright, kid! The gloves are coming off! Now yer gonna find out what this board is really all about!

;)

Seriously, the Sherman never had APFSDS...at least until the Israelis got ahold of it. In fact, I don't think anybody had APFSDS until, what, the late '60s (when did the Sovs start using it? I know they had it by the time of the Yom Kippur war).

And only the Firefly had APDS as far as I know.

Michael </font>[/QUOTE]I believe, although I am spouting off without fully checking facts right now, that APFSDS rounds were used when the Soviets started using smoothbore tank guns, maybe with the T-62? That would put in the late 1960s early '70s.
Welcome Denwad.

[Auggy]

Welcome to the game denwand. This simulation is like nothing else you'll have ever seen. I'm 15, though most of the board members are much older.

[Lumbergh]

Old people hobbies are great fun as a teen, especially if you get dad involved.

Nothing was better than doing R/C planes with my dad, and I assume that nothing will be better than whooping your dad at CMBB. :D

[Pzman]

Funny, my Dad just watches me and says, "What are you doing with those red and yellow lines..." or "are you playing that shoot'em up bang, bang game again?" LOL I tried to get him to play it, I think He'll stick to Risk and Axis & Allies. :D I must have been oh, 15 when I started playing CM back in the CMBO beta days; the last three year have been interesting, and no its not because of Madmatt... ok maybe it is.

[ July 13, 2003, 12:00 PM: Message edited by: Panzerman ]

[Michael Emrys]

Originally posted by Nidan1:
I believe, although I am spouting off without fully checking facts right now, that APFSDS rounds were used when the Soviets started using smoothbore tank guns, maybe with the T-62? That would put in the late 1960s early '70s.This is my thought too, although like you I don't have any reference to hand. Did the T-55 ever have a smoothbore gun? I simply can't recall.

Michael

[Lumbergh]

Originally posted by Michael emrys:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Nidan1:
I believe, although I am spouting off without fully checking facts right now, that APFSDS rounds were used when the Soviets started using smoothbore tank guns, maybe with the T-62? That would put in the late 1960s early '70s.This is my thought too, although like you I don't have any reference to hand. Did the T-55 ever have a smoothbore gun? I simply can't recall.

Michael </font>[/QUOTE]Well they could shoot a missle through the barrel, no? Can you shoot an ATGM through a rifled barrel? I have absolutely no idea....

[Michael Emrys]

The T-55??? When was this? What missile?

Michael

[Ales Dvorak]

Originally posted by Denwad:
Been a while since I read my PE tech books. Since you are 13..... :eek:

[Denwad]

Pfft, I bought that game a LONG time ago. I think I was eight or nine.

[Lars]

It's going to really hurt losing a PBEM to this guy...

[Lars]

{dbl due to a really laggy connection}

[ July 14, 2003, 05:48 PM: Message edited by: Lars ]

[Lumbergh]

Originally posted by Michael emrys:
The T-55??? When was this? What missile?

Michael Right...rifled barrel, definitely.

info (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/t54tank.htm)

looks like it had a barrel-launched missile on the T-55M though:

"ATGM Launcher
Name D-10T2S gun
Launch Method Gun-launched
Guidance SACLOS, Infrared laser-beam rider
Command Link Encoded laser-beam
Launcher Dismountable No "

[ July 14, 2003, 06:19 PM: Message edited by: Lumbergh ]

[Vanir Ausf B]

This is an exciting event! We've never captured one so young before. Most of us thought groghood did not occur until later in the lifecycle. :confused: Observing this one over the next few years should yield a wealth of information.

[Lars]

Or repressed memories...

[Denwad]

LoL

Looks like I'm having problems with getting it as a birthday present. Guess I'll get it with my b-day money. As if I spend that money on anything else anyway redface.gif