mixed Sherman/Firefly platoons

[Other Means]

ASUI Fireflys were mixed into Sherman platoons to give some extra AT capability. can this be represented using the current engine? if so, is there any chance of it being in the patch?

[Pzman]

They might be able to, but I think its unlikely.

[JonS]

1) no*
2) hopefully (amongst other new flexibilities in the way units are organised)

* well, you can have mixed groups of Shermans and Fireflys trundling around together, adn you can call them a platoon if you wish. And many scenarios are set up this way. But they aren't 'platoons' (actually 'troops') in the sense of commandlines radiating out from the HQ unit.

[Wisbech_lad]

Quite - your thread should read mixed Sherman/Firefly TROOPS.

And you could argue it was the other way round - Shermans were mixed in with Firefly's to give them more AP capability... (extra MG's, able to carry more ammo, higher ROF) Stuart Hill's troop in Market Garden had 2 x Firefly, but kept 1 x 75mm for this reason (he says). Interestingly, he, as troop commander, took the 75mm one.

[von Lucke]

Originally posted by Wisbech_lad:
Stuart Hill's troop in Market Garden had 2 x Firefly, but kept 1 x 75mm for this reason (he says). Interestingly, he, as troop commander, took the 75mm one. Seems rather wise to me. After all, I'd think that Gerry would aim for the long-barreled Shermans first.

[Michael Dorosh]

Originally posted by von Lucke:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Wisbech_lad:
Stuart Hill's troop in Market Garden had 2 x Firefly, but kept 1 x 75mm for this reason (he says). Interestingly, he, as troop commander, took the 75mm one. Seems rather wise to me. After all, I'd think that Gerry would aim for the long-barreled Shermans first. </font>[/QUOTE]Exactly right, that is why they camouflaged the gun barrels with white, grey or blue paint to make them resemble short barrelled 75s.

I also hope they change the platoon composition in the CMAK patch, this was certainly identified in the patch thread.

[Kitty]

Dorosh is right.

[Pzman]

It would be nice, that much is for sure. I just don't see it happening. Didn't the Americans mix their platoons with Sherman 76mm and Sherman 75mm later in the war as well?

[JonS]

... and the Germans had mixed AFV pns too (eg, mixed PzIII and Pz VI in Tunisia).

[JonS]

Originally posted by Wisbech_lad:
Interestingly, he, as troop commander, took the 75mm one. AIUI, that (the Tp cmmd not taking a Firefly) was standard practice throughout the British Army.

[Other Means]

troop. got it.

was this mix enshrined in orders? if so i feel justified in asking for it in the patch (as much as anything else) as i feel the German formations where ad hoc. i'm sure such mixes happened everywhere as necessary. but if it's part of doctrine it's a different matter.

Originally posted by JonS:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Wisbech_lad:
Interestingly, he, as troop commander, took the 75mm one. AIUI, that (the Tp cmmd not taking a Firefly) was standard practice throughout the British Army. </font>[/QUOTE]why is this? would the Firefly's be at the front? that doesn't seem right to me. possibly it is because the standard Sherman is less of a target.

however, i would have thought SOP would be to have the Firefly's more to the rear, to engage an identifed threat. is this correct or no?

[Sirocco]

Originally posted by Other Means:
however, i would have thought SOP would be to have the Firefly's more to the rear, to engage an identifed threat. is this correct or no? You're correct. Fireflies were kept "in reserve" to deal with heavier threats.

[JonS]

Originally posted by Other Means:
as i feel the German formations where ad hoc. No, the the PzIII/PzVI mixed pn was standard.

[Londoner]

http://www.miniatures.de/html/frc/toeB11ad.html

Probably been posted before but a nice little site....