JonS

[Kingfish]

Would you happen to know the OOB of the divisional Cav for 2nd NZ div circa April '45?

Also, would anyone know the link to the site that covered the Tiger battalions?

[Andreas]

http://www.battlefront.com/discuss/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=30;t=004994

All the best

Amdreas

[Other Means]

I smell a lovely scenario on the way. Yumsters.

[JonS]

Andreas - I don't get the relevance of your link?

Kingfish - it had been re-roled as a leg-infantry battalion by then. IIRC, it was called Div Cav Bn, and the compaines were referred to as sqns, but that was all window dressing. In org and role it was just another inf bn.

In late-44/early-45 it was finally acknowledged that in Italy two inf bdes weren't enough for an inf div. So, the LAA Regt was disbanded, the MG Bn was disbanded (sort of), the Motor Bn reverted to a regular inf bn, the survey bty was drastically reduced, as was the A-Tk regt. The manpower freed up was used to create another infantry bde, so the Div entered 1945 with three inf bdes and an armd bde, although in practice the armd bde was divided up amongst the inf bdes (one armd regt per).

The MG Bn was nominally disbanded, although in practice what happened was that each inf bn gained an organic MMG Pn, so it's hard to say how much manpower was actually freed up that way - a bit, I suppose, from the Coy and Bn HQs, plus of course the fourth MMG Coy in its entirety (27(MG)Bn retained the four MMG Coy structure from the early war after the other CW MG Bns went to a three x MMG + one x 4.2-in mtr org. The 4.2s were allocated to the A-Tk Regt)

At the same time the engineers created an armoured assault sqn, with bridging tanks, AVsRE (although these weren't equipped with the petard, AFAICT), dozers, etc.

2(NZ)Div had a very eclectic organisation ...

[Kingfish]

Originally posted by Andreas:
http://www.battlefront.com/discuss/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=30;t=004994

All the best

Amdreas Brilliant! Much abliged.

BTW, is the alanhamby site essentially the same as the Sturm-whatever site?

Originally posted by Other Means:
I smell a lovely scenario on the way. Yumsters. Stay out of the kitchen, the sauce is not ready.

Originally posted by JonS:
Kingfish - it had been re-roled as a leg-infantry battalion by then. IIRC, it was called Div Cav Bn, and the compaines were referred to as sqns, but that was all window dressing. In org and role it was just another inf bn.Ok, that I didn't know. I knew about the LAA regt and 27th MG Bn.

The MG Bn was nominally disbanded, although in practice what happened was that each inf bn gained an organic MMG Pn, so it's hard to say how much manpower was actually freed up that way - a bit, I suppose, from the Coy and Bn HQs, plus of course the fourth MMG Coy in its entirety (27(MG)Bn retained the four MMG Coy structure from the early war after the other CW MG Bns went to a three x MMG + one x 4.2-in mtr org. The 4.2s were allocated to the A-Tk Regt)I'm reading 'After the battle - issue 132'. In it there is a story about Lance-Corporal John Tucker of 27th Bn., who on April 12th single-handedly destroyed two Panthers from 26th Pz Division. The mag describes the 27th attacking at night with two companies up, one back, so they must have freed up a considerable number of men.

[JonS]

Well, 9th Bde was consisted of 22 Bn (the motor bn re-roled as straight leg), 27 Bn (MG Bn re-roled as straight leg) and Div Cav Bn (recce regt re-blah blah). In their pre-transformation states, none of those units were large enough to become a full inf bn, but full inf bns they nevertheless became. The difference was made up from the LAA regt, plus misc other odds and sods re-roled as inf and drafted into those three new bns.

BTW, the iconic Quad had disappeared as a gun tractor by this stage too, replaced by ... US 2-1/2s maybe, or UK 3-tonners. Sumfink anyway.

[John Kettler]

Kingfish,

Tiger tank battalion resources

http://www.chsk.com/steppenwolf/tigers.htm

http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/tigers.htm

http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/tigers-02.htm

http://www.lonesentry.com/panzer/tiger-tank-abteilung.html

Swinging the Sledgehammer (CGSC paper later published as book SLEDGEHAMMERS) Hit access this.

http://cgsc.cdmhost.com/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/p4013coll2&CISOPTR=304&REC=2

Hope this helps.

Regards,

John Kettler

[Kingfish]

OK, time to throw a few more ingredient into the pot...

Does anyone the identity of a Panzerjager company which was deployed in the vicinity of Sesto Imolese during mid-April '45? This unit was supposed to have been the third prong of a planned German counterattack on the New Zealand bridgehead over the Sillaro river. It may have been an independent unit or part of a larger formation.

I do know that this section of the river was held by the 4th Fallschirmjager division, with the 278th Volksgrenadier deployed north of the town. The 26th Panzer Div was also there, although I'm not sure if they were in a reserve role or held part of the line.

On the allied side, what Corp level artillery would have supported the Kiwis? The attack on the town was phase two of the general spring offensive launched on April 9th.

BTW, thanks to everyone for their help so far.

[John Kettler]

Kingfish,

That's groggy, even by your standards! Hope I found you the right Tiger battalion info.

Regards,

John Kettler

[JonS]

Sorry K, can't help much with that, other than to repeat my mantra about the OHs, which presumably you've already mined.

Oh - somthing you might have missed though: There is a part of the OH called "Episodes and Studies", which comes in two volumes. One of the Studies is entitled "The other side of the hill" (or something like that) and tells the German story for a number of the battles 2(NZ)Div was involved in. ISTR that one of them is somewhere in the Po Valley/along the Senio, which might be useful. OTOH, I think it is mostly about the earlier fighting (in Feb?) to eliminate the last German bridgehead on the south/east bank of the Senio. Still, you might want to check it out.

Oh, I helped Los with a scen several years ago which IIRC was to do with fighting very near to where you are talking about. I'm on the road for the next couple of days so I can't tell you the name or what info I gave him, but send me an email and I'll do so when I get back. You might want to contact Los too - most of my stuff was about the NZ Div, not the Germans.

Speaking of which - be aware that the stock OoB for an NZ inf bn in the CMZK editor is very inaccurate.

Regards
Jon

Edit: The corps level guns spt will be available in the Arty OH. I'm pretty sure that it included - amongst other things - a British SP Fd Regt, equipped with 105mm Priests. These aren't in the CMAK editor, so you'll have to make do with either 25-prs, or use US FOs for it. Both have obvious disadvantages.

[RockinHarry]

Some good info about various Tiger units strength and composition:

http://orbat.com/site/sturmvogel/tigers.html

info about independent AT units can be found on a related page:

http://orbat.com/site/sturmvogel/pzjgabt.htm

If you know the designation of a particular (german) army or corps, you can do a simple site search (CTRL-F) for this unit and see what´s going to be highlited. This way I found out about lots of army corps support units. In case of the german Panzerjager company supposed as "attacking" force in the vicinity of Sesto Imolese, the schwere Panzerjäger-Abteilung 525 (Nashorn) might be one candidate, if it´s an independent unit. Much more likely your german Panzerjager company was a normal divisional AT unit, as part of the mentioned divisions, comprised of Stugs or Hetzers ect.

The Sturmvogel site also holds useful info about independent artillery, MG, Sturmgeschutz, Engineer and other units:

http://orbat.com/site/sturmvogel/heer-obscure.html

[Kingfish]

Originally posted by JonS:
Speaking of which - be aware that the stock OoB for an NZ inf bn in the CMZK editor is very inaccurate.

What are some of the things I should change in order to get a more accurate OOB?

[JonS]

Off the top of my head:
* delete the flamethrowers
* add a MMG pn (but they used trucks, not carriers)
* don't forget LOBs (about 10%)
* bns were understrength (as well as the LOBs), but they did maintain the four-rifle-coys to an inf-bn (unlike the British in-bns, who had re-orgged to a 3-inf-coy/bn scale)

[Kingfish]

Thanks for the quick reply. When you say they retained the 4 rilfe company org does than also take into account the support company that CMAK adds to a '45 Battalion?

BTW, the map is coming along nicely, don't you agree?

http://kidslink.bo.cnr.it/aldomoro/aldomoro/sillaro01/base/pansa1.gif

[JonS]

Originally posted by Kingfish:
[QB]When you say they retained the 4 rifle company org does than also take into account the support company that CMAK adds to a '45 Battalion?Meh, ... I don't know. I haven't looked at the CMAK '45 orgs for ages, but I do remember - last time I did look - thinking how porked they were.

NZ org 'should' have 4 x rifle companys, plus the various spt company pns (mtr, a-tk, carrier, etc)

BTW, the map is coming along nicely, don't you agree?Looks like something Dorosh cooked up in the midst of an ASL-fuelled nightmare ;)

[Michael Dorosh]

Originally posted by JonS:
Looks like something Dorosh cooked up in the midst of an ASL-fuelled nightmare ;) I'll expect a mention in the Designer's Notes, KF...

[JonS]

BTW, what is the large curved 'road' on the map? It looks a little like a modern highway, which I wouldn't expect to see in Italy at that time.

[Michael Dorosh]

Originally posted by JonS:
BTW, what is the large curved 'road' on the map? It looks a little like a modern highway, which I wouldn't expect to see in Italy at that time. Could be a gravelled railway embankment.

[Kingfish]

It's actually a monorail. Ever since I downloaded the new CMAK patch I've been experimenting with different terrain tiles. You should see the fully functioning drawbridge. 0 to 60 degrees in less than 20 seconds. Almost as fast as me.

[JonS]

o_O

[JonS]

Originally posted by JonS:
I helped Los with a scen several years ago which IIRC was to do with fighting very near to where you are talking about. I'm on the road for the next couple of days so I can't tell you the name or what info I gave him, but send me an email and I'll do so when I get back. You might want to contact Los too - most of my stuff was about the NZ Div, not the Germans. My bad - it was Rune, and the scenario is called "The Last Offensive". Emails I have regarding it are dated March 2004. General briefing is as follows:

Title: The Final Offensive
Type: Meeting Engagement
Date: April 16th, 1945
Location: West of Sesto Imolese
Region: Italy
Weather: Day, Clear, Farmland
Terrain: Dirt
Wind: Breeze from the W
Turns: 45+

Best Played as: Best played as Two Player, or as Allied against the AI. AI should be free to place.

Author: Tim 'Rune' Orosz


Background: The Eighth Army started its final offensive in Italy on 9 April 1945, under the biggest artillery and air bombardment of the Italian Campaign. The object was to enter and take the Po Valley. The hurricane of fire caught the Germans by surprise, and the Senio River was quickly crossed with only moderate enemy resistance. The attack came from Indian, Kiwi, Polish, British divisions, along with the Jewish Brigade.

2nd New Zealand Division had crashed through the Germans' "Irmgard Line" on the Senio River on the first day, then the "Laura Line" on the Santerno two days later, and the "Paula Line" along the Sillaro on the night of 15th-16th April. The German 98th Infantry Division had been shattered after a week of constant fighting, with many prisoners taken, but reinforcements were arriving and resistance was stiffening in front of the Kiwis.

By dawn on the 16th April 2(NZ)Div held a two mile wide bridgehead across the Sillaro River with two brigades. The Germans had to regain the river line to hold in this area, while the Kiwis sought to beakout and advance to the next river line. Both sides brought fresh forces up, and they would meet in the rich farmland west of the Sillaro.

Semi-Historical, about 5400 points.

Sources:
http://members.aol.com/ItalyWW2/Imola.htm

4th New Zealand Armoured Brigade in Italy by Jeffrey Plowman and Malcolm Thomas

[Kingfish]

Jon,

Is the New Zealand div and 2nd NZ div really one and the same, with just a title change, or are they actually 2 seperate formations?

[JonS]

Same unit. Originally it was ... wait. Let me go back a bit.

In WWI we raised 1(NZ)Div (or, if it wasn't called 1 Div, it was still the first div we'd raised).

At the start of WWII we made a comittment to raise another infantry division, which would be called the New Zealand Division. Which was all well and good, and things stayed that way until ... erm ... sometime around CRUSADER - Alamein. So, late 41 to mid 42. I forget the exact date. At that time the div ...

Oh, wait some more. On 7 Dec 41 the Japanese decided to get into the game, and we comitted to raising another division for service in the Pacific. At taht point it became necessary to differentiate between them and since this was the third division we'd raised it was called 3(NZ)Div. At about the same time the division in the ME was renamed to 2(NZ)Div. Notwithstanding that, it was often referred to internally simply - and arrogantly - as "The Div".

In addition to 3(NZ)Div, raised for service overseas, a couple of divisions were raised for local defence in case the Japanese ever tried landing in NZ. These were 4 & 5 Divs, but their structure was even more ecclectic that 3(NZ)Div.

Meanwhile, in the ME there was a requirement for a deception unit. As it happened, 2(NZ)Div was supported by a very extensive base area structure because The Div was a national army as well. Furthermore, Freyberg was the Div GOC, but also i/c all NZ Army personnel in the ME/ETO. All these base formations were re-orgged and re-titled 6(NZ)Div under command of a MajGen, whose name escapes me right at the moment. In addition to the deception role, it also took a considerable administrative burden off Freybergs shoulders, though he still remained i/c, or SNO (Senior National Officer) in modern parlance.

Erm. Hmm. Long answer to a simple question.

The short answer is: they are different names for the same division.

Incidentally KF - if you are ever considering doing a D-Day (6th June 1944) scen involving British/CW forces, drop me a line. I have some archival goodness that would probably be most useful, most especially for GOLD but also in a general sense for JUNO or SWORD.

[ December 17, 2006, 04:29 PM: Message edited by: JonS ]

[John D Salt]

Originally posted by JonS:
[Snips]
Incidentally KF - if you are ever considering doing a D-Day (6th June 1944) scen involving British/CW forces, drop me a line. I have some archival goodness that would probably be most useful, most especially for GOLD but also in a general sense for JUNO or SWORD. Can I briefly misdirect this thread into a side-road, and ask if you have (or for that matter anyone else has) anything on the action of 47 Royal Marine Commando at Port-en-Bessin on D+1?

I visited the memorial stone to 47 in the Garden of Remembrance at Eastney Barracks yesterday, and I think it's about time I started on some serious archive-thrashing to try to get the whole story.

All the best,

John.

[JonS]

No, I don't think so sorry ... although ISTR something about RMs scaling cliffs to KO a pillbox there.

Hmm. Where was that ... the British OH maybe? I'll have a rummage.

[JonS]

Yep, page 209 of Victory in the West, vol I, has a fairly solid paragraph.

John, I also seem to recall someone ... you? ... posting something here about either naval ratings or ship-board Marines coming ashore to assist with the fighting at PeB.

Jon

[ December 19, 2006, 11:43 AM: Message edited by: JonS ]

[Kingfish]

Originally posted by JonS:
Incidentally KF - if you are ever considering doing a D-Day (6th June 1944) scen involving British/CW forces, drop me a line. I have some archival goodness that would probably be most useful, most especially for GOLD but also in a general sense for JUNO or SWORD. I may have to now that Andres dropped the bomb in the form of an excellent French topo map website.

Got anything on 352nd Div's counterattack on the left flank of Gold beach? Zet shows the Fusilier, StuGs and part of 915th Regt. Brits may be 69th brigade and 4/7 Dragoons.

[JonS]

you've got mail.

Are you looking for info on the Brits, or the Germans?

[JonS]

The German force consisted of the Corps Reserve, namely a reinforced 915th Inf Regt. The 'reinforced' bit seems to have been the attachment of the 352nd Fusil Bn. 1/915, 352 Fusil, and regtl units mounted on French trucks. 2/915 on bicycles. There was no 3/915.

1/915 was detached and attacked around Colleville, at the eastern end of OMAHA.

The remainder of the reinforced 915th plus 1/352 Assault Gun Bn (10 Aslt Guns, presumably the 10 StuG IIIs that Zet identifies) plus 2/916 plus remaining portions of Ost Bn 441 were ordered to vicinity Villers-le-See [sic, probably Villers-le-Sec, on the Seulles 4km SSW of Crepon] with the mission of retaking Crepon. The attack was delayed, and 2/915 never turned up at the FUP.

It finally started at 1430 (presumably German time) and was all over by 1500. The 915th was so badly mauled in this counter attack that the 'remnants' were subordinated to 726th Inf Regt that evening.

Their opponents would have been 69th Bde, which was the left assault bde of 50 Div. 69 Bde Gp consisted of:
* 5th Bn East Yorkshire Rgt,
* 6th Bn Green Howards Rgt,
* 7th Bn Green Howards Rgt,
* 4/7th DGs (less one sqn with 151st Bde),
* 99 Bty 102nd A-Tk Regt (6prs and 3in M-10s),
* pn of 4.2in Mtrs from 2nd Cheshire,
* B(MG) Coy 2nd Cheshires,
* 233rd (Northumbrian) Fd Coy RE,
* 81 Assault Sqn 6th Assault Regt RE (AVsRE),
* 86th Fd Regt RA (25pr SP RAM), and
* C Sqn W Dgns (Sherman Crabs).

After the failure of the German CA, the British continued advancing S to the Seulles, crossed it, and reached positions some 3 kms S of it before halting for the night.

This counter attack is mentioned in the British OH. Ellis says that ...
"... Between Crepon and the Seulles the 69th Brigade met considerable opposition from a battle group of the 352nd Division. Its 915th Grenadier Regiment stationed near Bayeux had been ordered, early that morning, to move westward to deal with a reported airborne landing between the Vire and Carentan. When it proved that no such landing had taken place but that a battalion around Mount Fleury had been overwhelmed, the grenadier regiment was ordered to retrace its steps, to move eastwards and to counter-atttack towards Crepon. On the way back one of its battalions and some assault guns were diverted to oppose the threatened American penetration at Omaha. The rest of the battle group consisting of the 1st Battalion, 915th Regiment, the 35snd Fusilier Battalion and ten guns of the 352nd Anti-tank Battalion reached the country between Villers le Sec and Basenville at about 4pm. In the ensuing fight with the 50th Division, the German Commander was killed and his infantry forced to withdraw across the Seulles, where some were taken prisoner near St. Gabriel by troops of the 69th Brigade who were already south of the river.

An entry in the German Seventh Army log records a 'strong penetration in the area of the 915th Grenadier Regiment east of Bayeux ...' and anoter German account states that only ninety men survived of the battle group engaged. The remnants were attached to the 726th Regiment which was now ordered to establish a line from Coulombs to Asnelles - that is through the country already occupied by the 50th Division! but although this task was obviously beyond their power there was still much mopping up to be done before the area was wholly free of the enemy. Near Crepon, for instance, and '88', four '75's and fifty prisoners were captured from a hidden position in the nearby woods early on the [7th June]Sources:
* The German Army at D-Day, David Isby[2004], esp The Invasion: The 352nd Infantry Division by Oberstleutenant Fritz Ziegelmann (B-432)
* Normandy 44, Zetterling
* Omaha Beach, Balkoski
* Victory in the West, vol 1, Ellis

[John D Salt]

Originally posted by JonS:
Yep, page 209 of Victory in the West, vol I, has a fairly solid paragraph.

John, I also seem to recall someone ... you? ... posting something here about either naval ratings or ship-board Marines coming ashore to assist with the fighting at PeB.
Probably me -- there was a "cutting out" mission during the night by matelots from a British and a Polish destroyer against the flak ship in the harbour, and the Royal Marine Commandos reported that they could tell when British sailors were in action from the sound of swearing drifting across the water.

I wasn't aware that Port-en-Bessin even got a mention in the official history, I shall have to get a copy from the library and copy it down.

What few things I have been able to track down to date are mostly very slight, and sometimes I think so slight as to be entirely misleading; there are brief descriptions in Neillands' history of the Royal Marines and St-George Saunders' and Messneger's histories of the Commandos. Far the best single account is that in "Doc" Forfar's "Omaha to the Scheldt": He was the MO of 47. Unfortunately, some lummox at the Admiralty lost the unit war diary for June, so the archives I have been able to see at the PRO are pretty thin as well.

I think this is a great shame, as this action IMHO ranks as an achievement at least as high as the assaults on Pegasus and Horsa bridges, the Pointe du Hoc and the Merville Battery, all of which have been well written-up.

If anyone has anything that will improve on the sources above, I'd be very interested to hear it. I'm aware of the oral history archive at the Hemingway School at Port-en-Bessin, but have had no access to it. Maybe a long research holiday in Normandy is indicated for next year.

All the best,

John.

[JonS]

John, yes, t'was the IFF-by-swearing that I remembered smile.gif

The relevant passage in VitWv1 really isn't all that long. I'll tippity-tap it out in the next couple of days. There are several prior references to 47(RM)Cdo moving across country to PeB, and camping out on Hill 62 (or 72?) a few miles SE of PeB on the night of the 6th/7th, but the actual fighting bit is short.

Jon

[Kingfish]

Jon,

I tried to respond to your e-mail but had it bounced back. Thanks for the spreadsheet, very nice. Your creation? If so, I need to take you out for a couple of beers, if only to drag you away from the computer.

BTW, check out the scenario discussion forum for the link to the topo site Andreas found. It's the bomb.

Also, what is a 'porpoise' and 'MC Airborne'? Both are listed under type.

[JonS]

Yes, mine. Sort of. With some help. It's a long story. It's based on the official tables, as stolen by Brig Hargest and currently residing in NZ Archives ...

A Porpoise is a sled loaded with ammo and other supplies likely to be needed in the first 24 hours. From what I can make out, the Centaurs dragged them up the beach, then unhitched them whereupon they became a self-help shop for anyone passing by.

MC Airborne is - again as far as I can tell - MotorCycle Airborne, those funny little folding(?) motorbikes the Brits developed. They look a bit like the little 50cc bikes you can get now for kids. The other MC entries are - of course - just a regular motorbike.


Edit: Holy heck - that's a great link! The mixing, matching, and fading of map types is superb!

[ December 20, 2006, 05:49 PM: Message edited by: JonS ]

[JonS]

JDS:
Chapter X. D-DAY: ADVANCE INLAND

...

56TH DIVISION CLOSE ON BAYEUX, page 209-210

...

Starting at about eleven o'clock the reserve brigades, the 151st and the 56th, had landed in succession; the whole of the 50th Division was ashore by soon after midday and its task can be seen as a whole. On the right the 231st Brigade was to push westwards in the coastal area, taking Arromanches and the battery at Longues, while the 47th (Royal Marine) Commando went ahead to capture Port en Bessin and join up with Americans from Omaha. On the left, the 69th Brigade was to strike southwards and crossing the Seulles in the St. Gabriel - Creully area to secure the Bayeux Caen road near Ste. Croix Grand Tonne. The reserve brigades were to advance between these two the 56th on the right to Bayeux and beyond it to the river Drome; the 151st the left to seize the Caen road and railway between Bayeux and the Seulles.

By the time le Hamel was finally conquered the 231st Brigade had just taken Ryes and had already occupied the radar station at Arromanches. The battery south of the village had been heavily shelled by the cruiser Emerald and its four 105 mm guns had been abandoned without being fired. The western half of Arromanches was then attacked after bombardment by a destroyer and the 147th Field Regiment, R.A.; the place was taken but was not finally cleared until about nine o'clock that night. The light was fading, Tracy sur Mer was full of enemy snipers, and after la Rosière had been occupied it was decided to postpone further advance until first light next day. The 47th Commando making for Port en Bessin had had a sharp fight at la Rosière earlier that evening and it was dark when they reached Point 72, the prominent hill a mile and a half south of Port en Bessin; they dug in there for the night ready to attack in the morning.

Leading troops of the 56th Brigade had also passed through la Rosière and turned southwards astride the road to Bayeux. As they approached Pouligny radar station the enemy set fire to it and decamped. The South Wales Borderers, in the van, pushed on to Vaux sur Aure and secured the Aure bridge shortly before midnight. The nearby battery had been shelled by the cruiser Argonaut and the vicinity had been bombed; it was now found deserted. The 2nd Essex on the left of the brigade advance had meanwhile reached St. Sulpice after meeting 'light enemy forces' and the 2nd Gloucestershire had followed into Magny. In those positions they were halted for the night. The brigade had been concentrated in the woods between Buhot and Ryes before six; it had taken four to five hours to advance about three miles, though virtually unopposed, and Bayeux was untaken.

On the left of the 56th Brigade, the 151st had moved forward in two groups supported by the 90th Field Regiment, R.A. Starting, from near Meuvaines the right hand group, led by the 9th Durham Light infantry, took roughly the line of the Crépon Bayeux road. On their left, the 6th Durham Light Infantry and a squadron of the 4th/7th Dragoon Guards went south from Crépon to Villiers le Sec and there turned westwards towards Bayeux. Between Crépon and the Seulles the 69th Brigade met considerable opposition from a battle group of the 352nd Division. Its 915th Grenadier Regiment stationed near Bayeux had been ordered, early that morning, to move westward to deal with a reported airborne landing between the Vire and Carentan. When it was proved that no such landing had taken place but that a battalion round Mont Fleury had been overwhelmed, the grenadier regiment was ordered to retrace its steps, to move eastwards and to counter attack towards Crépon. On the way back one of its battalions and some assault guns were diverted to oppose the threatened American penetration at Omaha. The rest of the battle group consisting of the 1st Battalion, 915th Regiment, the 352nd Fusilier Battalion and ten guns of the 352nd Anti tank Battalion reached the country between Villiers le Sec and Bazenville at about 4 p.m. In the ensuing fight with the 50th Division, the German commander was killed and his infantry forced to withdraw across the Seulles, where some were taken prisoner near St. Gabriel by troops of the 69th Brigade who were already south of the river.

[snips 20-odd pages]

Chapter XI. CONSOLIDATING GAINS

...

JUNCTION WITH AMERICANS, page 231-232

...

While the 8th Armoured Brigade was thus fighting its way southwards towards Tilly sur Seulles the 151st Brigade had reached the high ground astride the direct road from Bayeux to Tilly between the Seulles and the Aure. The 56th Brigade on its right had taken Bayeux (on the 7th) and, having occupied defensive positions blocking approaches to the city from Caumont and St. Lo, captured Sully on the Drome after a tough fight but were unable to take the enemy's main defences west of the river. In the coastal area the 231st Brigade had pushed westward taking the Longues battery position with 120 prisoners. Empty shell cases showed that the German guns had fired 115 rounds before they were finally silenced by H.M.S. Ajax on D day; two had been put out of action by naval shells which passed through the embrasures and the whole area was heavily cratered.

Two miles further westward the 47th (Royal Marine) Commando had begun a stiff fight for Port en Bessin early on the 7th. It lies in a hollow between high cliffs on which commanding strong points had been constructed in positions which were difficult to reach. While a damaged wireless set was being mended and supporting fire arranged, fighting began in the narrow streets and packed houses of the town. In the afternoon H.M.S. Emerald and three squadrons of rocket firing Typhoons attacked the overlooking strong points and first a post on the edge of the town and the positions on the west cliff were taken. Then in the gathering dusk the Marines began to scale the eastern heights and attack the stronger position on the cliff top. Fighting went on throughout the night and not until four o'clock on the morning of the 8th was the position taken; the commander with three hundred of his men surrendered. The capture of Port en Bessin had cost the Marines heavy casualties but the harbour was to prove of great value, and almost before it was safely in our hands naval parties had been landed to survey its facilities. The 231st Brigade had gone on to capture a strong position on the river Drome near Port en Bessin on the 8th and had made first contact with American troops fighting eastwards, but between there and Sully the enemy still held the west bank of the river Drome in an effort to prevent the link up of the British and American bridgeheads.

...There is a chunk in the first passage repeated from the above on the 915th counter attack.

[ December 21, 2006, 12:12 PM: Message edited by: JonS ]

[John D Salt]

Originally posted by JonS:
JDS:
[QUOTE]Chapter X. D-DAY: ADVANCE INLAND

56TH DIVISION CLOSE ON BAYEUX, page 209-210

Chapter XI. CONSOLIDATING GAINS

JUNCTION WITH AMERICANS, page 231-232
Very many thanks for that. It's more than I remember there being there, but it does at least mention the fight at La Rosiere, which often seems to get missed out.

Now, I must 'phone the RM museum and pester them on the question...

All the best,

John.

[Kingfish]

Jon,
Thanks for the info on the counterattack

John,
Here (http://normandybattlefields.com/img8_bessin.htm) is PEB a few years after D-day.

[JonS]

Kingfish,
if you do decide to go ahead with the 915th counter-attack let me know. There are more references to it in some of the other reports in the Isby book noted above.

Regards
JonS

[Kingfish]

I did a while back for CMBO, but back then I didn't have access to the data and map resource I have now.

Of course, doing a scenario on the 915th's counterattack would delay Platamon, and that one is already 2 years on back order.

[JonS]

You know where to find me when you get round to it ;)