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Can the soldiers get additional covers when they stand on an open ground behind ridge but with LOF between forward enemies ?
Looking the picture below, can the Germany soldiers be protected by the "reverse slope"? I tested it just now, it seems "reverse slope" did not provide any protection. Thanks very much! Last edited by popllt : 11-06-2009 at 09:21 PM. |
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"Reverse slope protection" only works for pinned inf. Once the men pin, LOS is blocked and the target line might go away (if the slope is big enough). Same thing if the men are behind a wall. Pinning or hiding breaks LOS and thus ends incoming direct fire.
In your pic, in RL reverse slope for those 2 units would work both ways - but the Soviets are on a higher level and thus can throw grenades farther. In CM it might work once one of them pins. If it doesn't work, the Germans are too far uphill. What works both in RL and CM is that only one Soviet unit can fire at the Germans. Whatever is behind that Soviets squad can not (directly) fire at the Germans. So if you have a plt of Germans sitting behind that slope and the Soviets come in piecemeal, then you have 4 defending units vs one attacking unit each time - which is what reverse slope wants to achieve. Couple that with 1-2 HMGs 200m back that disrupt the advancing Soviets so they can't perform a coordinated attack across the crest and the Germans should inflict massive losses. If you look at Jasons inf tutorials here (or army manuals) the point of a plt advances while the rest of the plt is covering them. With reverse slope, the rest of the plt can not cover the point.
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Thanks Joachim!
But which was the reason that caused the LOS to go away? The pinned men sneaked to reverse dirction out of the LOS, or the "pinned status" plus "reverse slope"? Do you have an idea? Best Regard! Last edited by popllt : 11-07-2009 at 11:51 AM. |
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Both options are possible.
I suggest you use the scenario editor to test that. There do exist points where 2 opponents can see/shoot at each other standing, but LOS (and thus direct fire) is broken if one side pins. You can conveniently simulate "pinned" in the editor with hiding - the effect is the same. Leave the German squad in a similar spot as in your pic and move the Soviet squad. Start where both can see each other while hiding. Then move the Soviets backwards. You will reach a point where one squad hiding will break LOS. Now if the Soviets would be the first to pin in a position where hiding/pinning does not break LOS, they can crawl backwards to that point. The big problem is that if there is better cover near the Germans, the Soviets might crawl towards the better cover (and die in the process). The TacAI completely ignores cover by LOS break, it considers only cover provided by terrain when planning moves. Having a panicked attacker crawl towards the defenders trench is rather common ![]()
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Joachim, Thanks for your replies.
Your suggestions are useful to me while playing the game. Best Regard! |
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